debwv has a good idea. I think I’ll go back to bed also. Late night again last night. I’m getting too old for all these parties. And, I am sooooooo tired of all this picky type food. I need a good, hot meal for a change. I’ll come back later when I am not so worn out. My goal–meatloaf, mashed potatoes and peas. Back to basics for me.
It is going to be 72 here this afternoon…the normal high is 57 for this time of the year. We have gone from freezing to warming way up, but will be cooling way down again, lol
Well, it has done nothing but rain her, and it is getting annoying….. I want some dry weather! I am tired of rain, and accidents, and slow driving….what a mess!
Talk to you later Humble…I am baking and trying to clean and visit on the blog, lol
MeMa 52 on 13 December 2009 at 07:15
see you later humble…
are you baking christmas cookies steph??? Im gonna start mine Monday…double batches and I make around 14 different kinds…my mom used to make half but cant anymore
MeMa 52 on 13 December 2009 at 07:17
If I dont make everyone’s favorite they feel slighted…Id like to hand them the recipe sometimes
I have not started on cookies yet…lots of poppy seed bread and a oatmeal chocolate chunk cranberry bars. Next weekend I will make all the batters for the cookies and start baking them Tuesday before Christmas
I feel the same way Mema…Everyone gets what they love, lol
MeMa 52 on 13 December 2009 at 07:19
love poppy seed anything….great idea Steph…making the batter ahead of time…sometimes my cookies taste stale because I have to start early to get them all done…
MeMa 52 on 13 December 2009 at 07:21
the very best and worst thing on my list to make are sauerkraut balls…they are so darn good tho…you serve them hot with a mustard sauce…swear I could go in business just making them..
I don’t know why but I think cookies turn out better after they have been refrigerated. Plus the fact like you said when they are baked to early they seem to go stale faster…we don’t have the preservatives in them like store bought cookies. Sauerkraut balls sound good…maybe you should go into business.
MeMa 52 on 13 December 2009 at 07:29
I make 4 times what they recipe is and everyone always wants more…they are a pain in the arse tho..you make a sausage and sauerkraut stuffing and then roll them in flour, then egg, then breadcrumbs and then fry them..had a german girlfriend and she showed me how to make them 30 years ago..
Morning Steph
I am just sewing and wanted to see what was happening.
Love Humble’s video. Great song.
Jeff Ashton was great. Does anyone know if “other” duct tape was found at the scene? I mean extra pieces that were not on the skull?
thanks you guys. I thought that there was info like this but sometimes I miss out if I am too busy to read here for a few days. I am reading and this is interesting.
Thank you so much
Justme66 on 13 December 2009 at 08:13
I’m not hvf, but here is the video steph.. Just in case she’s busy reading and can’t get to it right away..
Thank you Justme…thank you for the warning too, the tears came rolling.
Humble…Love the video
hvf on 13 December 2009 at 08:23
This is such a good video. This is the one I was talking about. It is done so well. I love it. It has good words to the song and the song fits perfectly.
The Hinky Meter is REALLY interesting. Someone went to alot of trouble. It seems that the crime lab can do more than just measure the lengths. Could they not microscropically match up each tiny tears of the ends too?
ANd possibly teeth marks?
13jamie on 13 December 2009 at 08:23
yeah i would think teeth marks too!!!!
Justme66 on 13 December 2009 at 08:24
Jamie.. Congratulations.. A Christmas baby.. Neat.. Best of wishes to you, your baby, and the family.. There is no better Christmas present, IMO..
December seems to be a good month for babies.. I have 3 children and a nephew who have birthdays this month, and then my youngest son’s birthday is Jan 3.. The day AFTER my middle sisters birthday, and 20 days BEFORE my baby sisters birthday.. From Dec 4th, (two children born on that day, 2 years apart), until the end of Feb, (including mine and mom’s birthday), I’m BROKE..
hvf.. YES.. Absolutely.. And I think that may be one of the reasons Ashton was so confident in his statement in court on Friday.. I hope so anyway.. I think they have her PINNED against the wall.. With iron nails.. No chance of getting away..
13jamie on 13 December 2009 at 08:28
wow now thats a heck of a lot of bdays all together! we have 10 bdays between sept 1st and dec 6th. i am soo excited i just cant wait for the BABY!!! my girls are soo pumped too!! except they cant come to the hospital to come see us, as no kids can visit per H1N1. they are so sad about it!! me too
13jamie on 13 December 2009 at 08:30
i was amazed at caseys fake crying!! she was pathetic!!
Justme66 on 13 December 2009 at 08:30
Jamie.. Boy or girl?? Or do you know yet?? I have two of each.. My baby one used to say, “mom, you had us in a patteren, (pattern), girl, boy, girl, boy..
hvf on 13 December 2009 at 08:32
I think that someone commented something like this:
George, Cindy and Lee’s fingerprints were not found on the tape which would seem to mean that some testing was done to determine this.
So if you have no latent prints why test individuals’ prints against the tapes at all?
13jamie on 13 December 2009 at 08:33
nope i did not find out. i wanted to, it being a surprise and the last baby, but hubby said no!! probably better!! lol for my siblings and i it goes….. boy girl boy girl boy… so i guess i have a 50/50 chance this time as i have the 2 girls already!! they want a brother real bad!!
13jamie on 13 December 2009 at 08:35
wonder about prints on the gatorade bottle and syringe???
hvf on 13 December 2009 at 08:39
13jamie
I think there is more important stuff still to come.
hvf on 13 December 2009 at 08:39
bbl
Justme66 on 13 December 2009 at 08:40
That’s what alot of us are thinking hvf?? If there are no fingerprints at all, why are they eliminating fingerprints?? Makes no sense.. I think they DO have fingerprints on SOMETHING and it’s just not been released yet.. *Crosses fingers, toes, eyes, hairs, etc*
That was cute eyes.. Mommy is santa.. WHOA.. NOT on this one she isn’t..
eyespy on 13 December 2009 at 08:58
Heh Heh Heh…..
Didnt relize this was chit chat all day.I put a recipe cook book on OT, duh.Its rainy and cold here today, and i have half a headache goin on, prolly will lay back down soon.
Justme66 on 13 December 2009 at 09:06
Eyes.. How many of those video clips have you watched?? Have you seen the beer one.. The guy and gal in a horse drawn sleigh?? *ROFLMAO*
Justme66 on 13 December 2009 at 09:09
Eyes.. Sorry for the headache.. I know your pain.. Are you on meds for them?? I have to be, or I’d just simply give up and die.. *Sigh*
13jamie on 13 December 2009 at 09:11
have a great day,… got to get these swollen feet up, and cant do that if i’m on the computer!!
Justme66 on 13 December 2009 at 09:11
Cya later Jamie.. Good luck with the bundle of joy.. Keep us posted when you can.. *HUGS*
eyespy on 13 December 2009 at 09:14
Just
Yeah, i got meds and this is a good day to take them.Im trying to hold off though.I didnt see the beer vid but there is a red bull one thats funny.Can you post the link on that one?
13jamie on 13 December 2009 at 09:14
just me, thank you!! i will be sure to let you all know once i get out of the hospital!! i mean, you guys are my friends!!!
eyespy on 13 December 2009 at 09:15
Oh hi and bye Jamie…the swelling will be over soon, in ALL areas lol
CASEYCANTWIN on 13 December 2009 at 09:16
Morning ALL ty for the links
CASEYCANTWIN on 13 December 2009 at 09:18
Got to go I’m going to Moms Christmas party today….she has Alzheimers and a bit more confused these days Have a Wonderful day all Be Safe!
eyespy on 13 December 2009 at 09:22
Thanks CCW, have a great time with your mom….♥♥♥
eyespy on 13 December 2009 at 09:28
Think its about time to lay back down..BBL
BEES KNEES on 13 December 2009 at 11:18
Blink has some very good sources so I tend to believe a lot of what she says and she is still standing by the fact that they do have Casey’s prints. I’m pretty sure they are on a piece of tape.
I was watching parts of the court videos again and when Ashton started talking about drugging Caylee Casey’s face didn’t reveal anything. It wasn’t until he started talking about the duct tape that she hid her face. I’m kind of believing that the chloroform didn’t play a role in her death or she would have reacted. Remember when they were going to search the Little Econ River there was no reaction from her? It wasn’t until she heard they were searching in the right place that she reacted. If you watch Friday’s video again you’ll see she doesn’t bat an eyelash about the chloroform. Interesting.
I agree Bees, I noticed the same thing. Hearing about the tape alerted her that the state has figured more than she thought they would and took her back to that day. I don’t know if she was crying because she was recalling the event or because she knew that THEY KNEW.
nannab on 13 December 2009 at 11:29
hi.. I feel that Caylee was taped while she was asleep in the middle of the nite.. She wouldn’t be able to cry out or try to pull the tape off … just something that has been on my mind..
calipam on 13 December 2009 at 11:30
Hello to everyone…
I stopped blogging almost a year ago when I realized this trial probably wouldn’t happen until 2011 what with all the “free” spin-master defense types climbing onboard the cma train. But I have kept up, I’m an admitted lurker, I’ve read the book, etc.
The hearing on Friday really jolted me, because finally kc was confronted by the prosecution with just a taste of their version of what probably happened to Caylee in June of 2008, and her saying “make them stop” was incredibly telling of what her life had been like up until now. All of her friends have admitted in interviews that they knew she lied, both her parents, grandmother, brother…I’ll just say everyone she was related to have told LE & the FBI that she was a liar, yet not one of them confronted her except maybe Cindy, who would then go on to cover up for her. Her MO was lying to get through life, & she even had something on her Facebook or MySpace page attesting to that.
What I saw on Friday was rage when she fully expected one of her attorney’s to object when Ashton began his vivid description, & probably horror when she realized that this time she was finally going to have to face the music of her own actions at long last. Even Cindy was white as a sheet, and the drama has just begun.
They were there to argue the DP, and personally I would like to see her live out her life in prison, but another side of me would love to see the smug Lyons 100% batting average blow up in her face. She looked pretty flustered when Kathi Belich called her out for giving her the elbow…I think she has reason to be flustered, because there’s a pretty good chance that Judge Strickland will let the jury decide the penalty phase of this case.
When this finally goes to trial, I expect to hear weeks of testimony about the body being moved while kc was in prison, and the defense will try to instill that one/any little element of doubt in the juror’s minds, but if I were a juror on this case it would always go back to those 31 days where kc told noone, & lived her life like the party had just started. Her own mother did her in with the 911 call, saying that it “smells like a dead body” has been in the d**n car, & George’s first interview with the FBI when he was truthful with them about kc’s real character defects. jmo, but it will be those 31 days that will convict.
I just hope that the trial will be televised here in CA, but if not, I’ll probably be able to catch it on the internet. I think it’s going to be way more dramatic than OJ’s, and that was a doozy!
Hi to you, Humble! Just thought I’d chime in!
Bee’s I am thinking chloroform did play apart, I also believe that Casey thinks she WAS smarter than your average murder, because she held off on the crying episode. Oh I believe Casey has a great memory of Caylee looking at her, trying to breath!
Right EDCeb, she remember that day well, once it was brought back into her memory!
As for the prints, there has to be someone on the tape or there wouldn’t have been anything to compare the C&G and Lees too.
Hi ya Nanna…I don’t know. Where were they sleeping?
~LisaG~ on 13 December 2009 at 11:36
Good afternoon humblettes!
I think Casey started to cry, one, because Bozo told her to, and then when she started to hear about the tape, it took her back to what she did. Hopefully, emotionally she’s starting to crack, due to being locked up, having scabies, gaining weight, and not being able to steal and party.
But then again, I think it was all an act. And what the frick was up with lyin Lyons, holding Caseys arm and giving her comfort.
Hi ya Lisa! Weird how that little lean over by Baez and then tears flow. I believe she sees that day very well, and a memory reminder helped her out. I wonder when they come out and say where it happened, if it happened at the A’s house would they move? I know I would be gone already from that place just the thought of it!
Well she had to be nice at one point, she had to plan the elbow to Kathi!
nannab on 13 December 2009 at 11:43
been watching more fireworks..glad that doesn’t go on here.. lol
~LisaG~ on 13 December 2009 at 11:44
I think the defense team is cracking up. Lyons giving Kathi a little shove with her elbow, Bozo telling Kathi she’s in fairyland…or they just are very intimidated by Kathi, she doens’t give up till she gets an answer!
Love the Kathi :biggrin:
~LisaG~ on 13 December 2009 at 11:44
nanna where are you? We had fireworks going on the other night, now sure why.
Hi ya CaliPam! Good to see you! I think the only one who ever confronted Casey was George. Casey would scream and Cindy would go along with her.
Casey is an angry, angry person and the court hearing is proof.
Molly on 13 December 2009 at 11:50
Deb – I agree. She wasn’t expecting to hear all of that from ashton on how it happened. Also, she was mad initially, she didn’t want to hear it. For her it is gone from her mind as was appearant from her behavior after (the 31 days). She didn’t want to be forced to revisit it. By her comment “make him stop” & no one being able to stop him, including herself is beyond her normal reactive behavior. she usually could yell & lash out. It will be very interesting to see how she holds up thru out all of the details during the trial. Ashton challenged her “story” & she was fuming! Caylee was “hers”, and just as with how Cindy thinks that she owns caylee & anything to do with her, casey might believe that she was “hers” to do with as she wanted & no one should question her about it.
Yea, I know! They are ruining BillS site! I am unsure what the purpose is there! I think we all need to email BillS and tell him to stop them. They all have their own sites, take it there! Grown woman acting like children. See why I never responded to MM, it would have gone on forever and MM wasn’t worth the hassle or worth a response!
nannab on 13 December 2009 at 11:55
Lisa..now I am wondering why the fireworks where you live..lol
Here is a link to Contact Bill! I am going to write him and tell him that he needs to stop the crap going on, on his site. It makes for a terrible place to post a response.
Humble.. you did it the right way.. I will never comment on any of those sites..they are into themselves too much.. but I do enjoy reading their nonsense.. it is comical
Molly on 13 December 2009 at 12:00
nanna, lisa – don’t laugh, but we saw fireworks here last night too!!! I thought my friend was crazy when she said she saw them ( we were in the car). But I saw them a few minutes later.
I was wondering why fireworks at this time of year too!
~LisaG~ on 13 December 2009 at 12:03
Thanks Molly for sharing that. I thought I was going crazy myself the other night when I saw them. We were driving and I saw them in the distance, and of course my hubby tells me, fireworks this time of year, nah….
He knows everything (in his mind), lol :biggrin:
~LisaG~ on 13 December 2009 at 12:03
humble, who is Bill and what is his site?? I’m out of the loop
nannab on 13 December 2009 at 12:04
I won’t laff.. maybe to celebrate the 12 days of Christmas.. ?? dunno.. *snicker
Molly on 13 December 2009 at 12:05
I think baez & lyon were both shocked & befuddled after the hearing. Baez couldn’t even speak properly. That whole stopping & talking to the press did not go well for him.
Molly, when Casey said, ‘make them stop’, it proved just how much she’s been conditioned to believe she can control. Cindy running out was exactly the same thing. How dare the state do such a thing? Their arrogance and desire to control everything is showing through. They all go through life with blinders and earplugs. Too bad they didn’t have gags too. Sweet justice.
Molly on 13 December 2009 at 12:22
Deb – about the gags!
Totally agree about them having no control over this. Cindy’s gonna be running in & out of that courtroom all day! But casey has to sit there, we’re gonna see alot of red face & clenched teeth I think!!
Hello Everyone…I am not sure if she duct taped Caylee’s hands or not. But, I am still really thinking she drugged Caylee whether it be chloroform or something like benadryle.
I have wondered if the duct tape was either used to bound Caylee or if it was used to bound the top of the trash bag. I can’t remember what the trash bags looked like at the top. But, when Kronk kicked the bag Caylee’s skull came out. I will look in a little while and see if they found the top of the bag…I believe the Anthonys used the type that tied.
gigwails on 13 December 2009 at 13:40
Hi folks!
debwv on 13 December 2009 at 13:46
The hinkymeter was very interesting.But Casey won’t ever tell the truth. But forenics are great,and maybe they will come close to finding the answers. RIP Caylee.
Hi everyone! I think that chloroform or something has been used on Caylee numerous times. I also believe when she was with the “SO CALLED” nanny, she spent her time in the trunk of that car! As for her arms, I have no idea! I think that Casey did what she had to do to get rid of Caylee!
Lisa, his blog is ruined by the trouble makers! They need to take it to their own blogs. They just fuel the fire at BillS.
gigwails on 13 December 2009 at 14:03
The prosecutor brought up a great point that I never thought about before. Something to the effect of…a child that age should have been able to remove the duct tape, so Caylee must have been impaired in some way, if she couldn’t remove the tape. That is 10 times smarter than anything Baez could ever come up with…
Hi ya Gig! I agree! Even after hearing that they couldn’t come up with anything that good! Casey did do something to her whether medicating her or tying up her hands…who knows..
gigwails on 13 December 2009 at 14:13
Hi Humble! Notice Baez has yet to come up with anything definitive as far as why Casey couldn’t have done this. Casey continually lied about the last time she saw Caylee and Caylee was last seen with Casey. There is absolutely no proof that anybody else had access to Caylee from the time she was last seen with Casey until her death.
Did anyone else notice how Casey grabs her own wrist when Aston mentioned Casey must have been restrained? I noticed it Friday & being busy have not read all posts to see if anyone else posted about seeing what I saw. Anyway, I think it was an instant reflex on Casey’s part given without thought but in her own mind that she did restrain Caylee with tape during or before taping Caylee’s mouth.
Then I think when she noticed what she may have done by this touching her wrist, pulled it ever so gently back down again with the dumbest “rutroh” look on her face..
Sometimes when someone mentions something we sometimes automatically touch that part of our body without thinking.. I know I raised four boys & automatic reflex impulses helped me get to the bottom of things many times over.
gigwails on 13 December 2009 at 14:35
Hi ScRaMa! I didn’t see that, but that is a good point. I don’t think Casey has a conscience, but I think the discussion of how Caylee spent the last moments of her life, hit home for Casey. She probably knows she can’t weasel her way out of this.
sorry, Gig.. I didn’t say GE to everyone but eating dinner same time & had to get that out there before I forgot.. lol
I found it rather telling on her part, when I noticed.. you are right she definitely has no conscious, but I do think she was so nervous mho & was not thinking, sort of like when the body takes over or maybe this was Caylee’s ghost?
all I know is that right there could prove something! I showed it to the son & he said, sure I’d definitely say that proves she restrained her daughter!
debwv on 13 December 2009 at 14:42
I watched the video again. There was something about Cindy,no not the new hair do. To me it looks like she had a facelift done.
gigwails on 13 December 2009 at 14:44
Hi debwv. If Cindy got a facelift, Caylee surely paid for it. I hear people on disability get facelifts all the time…
Deb, who knows.. if the A’s are still having the “free life” could be a facelift is affordable by said monies! Must be nice to have things like a hairdo, facelift, & cruise! I’m lucky if I can even get my hair done once a week. & yeah, at this age, a facelift would do me a favor! :biggrin:
She did look different but not in a good way.. she just looked uglier, mho
nannab on 13 December 2009 at 14:51
I think she looks like a scar-a-crow..
gigwails on 13 December 2009 at 14:52
yeah, my wife just said if Cindy had work done, she should get her money back.
nannab on 13 December 2009 at 14:53
Gig..don’t give her any suggestions for any more free money…lol
gig, tell your wife my dbf said the same thing as did my son.. she also looked meaner too & maybe ashamed knowing what her daughter did & what she did by covering up & lying! I’d like to believe that but doubt she feels anything at this point anymore or less than before!
nanna.. good point! It is so beyond me how these ppl continue showing their faces all over, including the hearing Friday, tho supposed! She did try to hide her face, going out, pressing her face into the wall & hurriedly into the elevator! she should be ashameed but no doubt shame for her so called perfect family opposed to shame for living off her dead grandbaby! She has no shame when it comes to the free life!
gigwails on 13 December 2009 at 15:01
I think the combination of the new hairdo and aging makes Cindy look so different. George has aged a lot too.
I think she changed her hair and wore no makeup to look thinner and garner a more sympathetic audience.
Being as two-faced as Cindy is, you’d think she would have worn the other one.
Humble I think she hid her face because she WASN’T crying. She ran right around the corner. Since when did Cindy ever pass up a camera opportunity or to get possible sympathy.
btw.. GE Humble & before I forget because I haven’t been able to catch up on sleep nor posts in here since night before the hearing… when do we get a new OT page?
gigwails on 13 December 2009 at 15:06
Hi Deb! I was thinking the same thing. Cindy is so calculating…I wouldn’t put anything past her.
I agree Scrama that she didn’t like the truth but that doesn’t mean she cried.
I agree Gig, she could have orchastrated the entire thing. George looked mighty uncomfortable with the show.
ScRaMa, I did! Casey knows what she has done, and now she knows the state knows. I am still looking for the part that says “make them stop” I am yet to find it~!
nannab on 13 December 2009 at 15:12
the group around her made me sick… and who was in the group.. water seeks it’s own level…
your right ecDeb, i don’t remember seeing her cry, it was mostly for guilt or show.. like feel sorry for me.. just like her daughter.. two peas in a pod.. so alike!
thanks Humble, you just reminded me.. I couldn’t find that part either! I have gone over them, tho hard to do with chatty Lyon, but yes, would like to hear her say “make them stop”
Ya know, alot of people are saying, oh the crying the jury will have sympathy for her…but not when they listen to her on the 911 call, the news conference when she was indicted, when she was partying for 31 days! People will see that and go, why is she crying now?
Nanna, remember the last episode of Mary Tyler Moore. They had a group hug and all had to move towards the tissues cuz Mary was crying. Everytime I see that video of Cindy, I start laughinb.
~LisaG~ on 13 December 2009 at 15:18
Maybe she had that laser stuff, where they laser off the dead skin?? Something like that.
Either way, she looks as ugly on the outside as she is on the inside. She’s a very bitter woman, and she’s bitter at the wrong people.
nanna.. made me too.. reminded me a bunch of losers back in high school & I don’t mean nerds, cause I was one! :biggrin: Oh & I’m a winner as is anyone who frequents HummbleO.. :kissing: oh yeah, I’m a big kissup!
No one can make her look better, Humble. The woman is ugly inside and out, just like her daughter.
~LisaG~ on 13 December 2009 at 15:19
I just looked at the photo’s, she has had eye work done!!! Still doesn’t help.
nannab on 13 December 2009 at 15:20
EC..I don’t think she was crying.. I think she was just cussing…but laffing at that scene.. wonder if they know how silly they all looked..then cramming into elevator.. lmbo
gigwails on 13 December 2009 at 15:21
A jury will see right through all the courtroom theatrics. Not only was Casey partying for 31 days, but she didn’t lift a finger to find Caylee and was emotionless when discussing Caylee with LE. LP said Casey never mentioned Caylee when she was home from jail. Those factors will also loom large in the minds of the jury.
I too lmbo when they all packed into the elevator! Like hurry before we get caught in the door! god, what a bunch of sickos! well, I am getting rather upset still over the whole bunch of them! I need anoher chill pill.. bbl
Humble, I’m not sure if I remember seeing it posted here but not sure who posted it.. I don’t go far from “home” so had to be here. I want to hear it so bad! Oh well.. maybe someone can find it on one of the vids
I have to stop refreshing or will continue with this I am going to vent & or say something bad to put me in moderation?
Nanna, I have no clue what you said, but apparently it was bad! LOL I have no clue, I even went into moderation for who knows why then the day of the hearing I said chit spelled the right way, and it posted immediately! so I have no clue what the deal is!
Humble.. remember “Refenge of the Nerds” when the nerds took over the school and all the hot chicks fell for the nerdy guys?
well, when I was in HS, I was a nerd.. took typing, all the nerdy classes, even in future homemakers of America.. I wore glasses too & still do. I even dated a nerd & ended up married to him!
No I was not a geek, just a nerd!
are you also a nerd, Humble? bet you could be! :biggrin: I am betting on it!
hvf on 13 December 2009 at 15:37
SraMa
I have raised 6 children and I know exactly what you are talking about when someone is hurt, then you grab that part of yourself as a reaction. I remember when my son broke his arm, when I thought about it after, I would hold my own arm when it came into my arm. It was like reliving it or something.
I am watching this segment right now and will watch for when wf does that.
Humble.. look at it this way.. a nerd has more smarts than a loser! we are winners because we have smarts.. anyone here is a winner or a nerd because we know where our home is we stay here or home!
hvf.. let me know if you see the same thing when she touches her wrist.. Humble said she saw it
Halfspot on 13 December 2009 at 15:42
Hi All, I saw this when bozo and Casey at the table and lyon doing her talking and talking the minute lyon said Casey loved Caylee and needs to be told she is loved!! Casey stated to try and cry and Bozo leaned in at her ear and when he was leaning away don’t know what was being said maybe good job with the crying but when he pulled away he had a smile on face for just a second!! My hubby and I record it so to be able to rewind or stop it, we have looked at this many times and that we believe is what he did!! As anyone else seen this?
halfspot.. I posted that soon after the hearing that I thought Bozo was cueing her when to cry! when she was crying he edged closer to her & she seemed to settle, it was like he said, good show but save some for later? mo
nannab on 13 December 2009 at 15:46
I just looked at the wrist thing..also looking for the *stop him words..couldn’t find… they wrist thing..she moved her hand there pretty quick.. she may be having a lot of nightmares..
hvf on 13 December 2009 at 15:47
my puter is moving slow. I think it is hot. I turned it off a min. and put fan next so I am just waiting and watching.
gigwails on 13 December 2009 at 15:47
Halfspot, I’m sure Baez tells Casey she is loved all the time…
Right but I’m talking of the smile on his face!? To me that to show’s it’s all just a show not really crying for Caylee only cares about herself but then we all knew this!!
Justme66 on 13 December 2009 at 15:48
Good evening Humble and everyone else that’s here.. Here is the video of “Make him stop”.. and “I can’t”.. It’s right at the beginning of Ashton’s comments.. Turn your volume up.. It’s very clear..
Ashton is so good tho.. he could have been a preacher.. I remember having a preacher who spoke just like that & many times I would start crying right there in church & don’t laugh, I took it as I was bad & needed redeemed or something not that I was guilty of sumpin; :biggrin: unless it was having sumpin’ good before my vows.. I was a nerd with desires!
I’m trying it once again.. maybe get rid of some background static.. like where is that darn duct tape when ya need it! the dbf needs me & can’t hear anything!
I’m going to listen again later.. right now too much going on with cats meowing & dbf’s loud music.. here in a bit I I’ll just lock the door & then listen for it again! Geez, what’s a gal gotta do.. btw the dbf is a nerd too! :biggrin:
Chlry..She is an idiot, but than again look at her mom. CIndy was pi**ed that we all didn’t believe what she said about the pizza and so on. Like they can direct everyone what to do and believe.
CASEYCANTWIN on 13 December 2009 at 16:12
BOZO is whispering to her the whole time and im thinking i heard him say something about a change of venue…..but i cant be sure…..i mean thats so rude
Hi Scrama…Just remember it is right after he says on Caylee nose and mouth. Lawson than pauses and Casey says it and than he goes on to a child at that age…
Nanna…It is while the cameras are on Lawson’s back…not while on Casey.
mikka on 13 December 2009 at 16:13
hiiii !!!!!
cma say in her BOSS attitude “stop them” (ashton),hahahaahh cma is no more the BOss!!! and when she start crying her face getting red,this shows she is angry,she caught her!
CASEYCANTWIN on 13 December 2009 at 16:14
How does pizza have maggots when there never was any pizza to begin with……SPINDYS a nurse and she doesnt know the difference between maggots and coffin flies?
gigwails on 13 December 2009 at 16:14
CCW, they could move the trial to the moon and it wouldn’t make any difference.
hi mikka , she was angry right when he started off talking about it , she made those mouth movements as if to say , how dare he (ashton ) talk about this , then red and tears
Lyons clearly said to her cuz i read her lips…Im sorry honey! ….thing is shes going to get accustom to hearing it because they are going to hammer the DUHfence with those exact words….
Yes Mikka…I know, I just always have Lawson’s name pop in my head because he is the big guy.
How are you?
mikka on 13 December 2009 at 16:20
steph i am glad ashton speak up like this,does nobody forget its only ONE victim here and thats caylee!i was waiting months of this speak,and now finally happen!
Mikka…He did a really really good job. He grabbed everyone’s attention and told them they way it is. I am glad too.
I tell you if they think Lyons is going to get the dp off the table with an argument like that…they are crazy. She is too long winded without passion. To tell people the state is trying to kill Casey isn’t going to win because they are thinking about how Casey murdered Caylee and innocent baby that was her child, imo.
CASEYCANTWIN on 13 December 2009 at 16:23
OH yeah i heard her stay that……i think Casey wrote a question for Lyons……she made some of those same nose mouth movements when she was on the phone in the jail to…..they will become infamous movements…
mikka on 13 December 2009 at 16:24
steph,i dont cant remember what lyons was saying!she is boring!
CASEYCANTWIN on 13 December 2009 at 16:24
yep mikka i been waiting for casey to get a taste of her own medicine…….and now……..YES YES YES!
I couldn’t pay attention to Lyons…Not because she is Casey’s defense attorney, but because she is boring…no passion or at least I didn’t hear any, which in turn to me is no conviction in what she believes
mikka on 13 December 2009 at 16:25
bozo will file a motion ,because teh microphones dont was working right!
Mikka…I said the other day…I wonder how LKB is taking not getting all of the attention or sharing the attention with Baez? I really believe she took this case to be in front of the cameras and it isn’t happening now. She was on tv the last time they did a media blitz wasn’t she? I know it wasn’t the today show, but I thought the morning show and I also could be totally wrong, lol
mikka on 13 December 2009 at 16:30
my hubby was days away,i show him today the video from cma crying,he say
1.bozo told cma ,you better be start crying now!
and my hubby say he understand cindy run out,when she hear how caylee was murdered!
CASEYCANTWIN on 13 December 2009 at 16:30
im telling you i can wait i know ill be one who is sitting on the edge of my seat when ashton is hammering her….yeah LKB wasnt there but i think maybe she had something else to do that day…….OH please let her not sit on the DUHfence
I am okay with Aston taking first seat as long as he can continue like this. But, if he starts getting real mad or whiny I worry. It is better to fight the defense with the knowledge you have instead of going back and forth like he did last time…long ago.
mikka on 13 December 2009 at 16:31
steph,may she dont get along with lyons!or she dont get no money from bozo and plantickets (first class) are expensive! :win
mikka on 13 December 2009 at 16:32
scrama :wub: hahahhahahahahaah huggie!
CASEYCANTWIN on 13 December 2009 at 16:32
i agree mikka …….i dont think Spindy even had a clue……before last friday morning…..Hows she going to stop it now….NEED YOUR ZANNY SPINDY?
I think Cindy knew exactly how Caylee was murdered…I have a feeling they have read just as much of the discovery and heard about it long ago just like all of us.
For Lyons to say they have no reason to ask for the dp is crazy…All you have to do is read the discovery and know why they are asking now. They have Caylee’s remains and they were found with duct tape over her mouth…
mikka on 13 December 2009 at 16:34
ccw ,at trial,cindy and geo will hear what murder and sl..,thief,liar her daughter is.the best she make NO door in the courtroom,does both can run out again!
mikka on 13 December 2009 at 16:35
scrama,may baden try to get phil spector an appeal!
steph, later this evening, I’m going thru all vids again & taking notes of each time she starts & stops crying, when Bozo whispers whatever, when she says what, etc. I have to get it all down to make more sense of it, mo
CASEYCANTWIN on 13 December 2009 at 16:38
possibly…..she was looking very stoic in the beginning….now she turns on the tears…and that red face doesnt do anything for me…i means shes been to court now how many times and this is the first time she really cried….or made like she did…
hi again nanna & bye.. sorry, have to get dbf’s things ready for work.. he makes me busy..
Mikka.. hope to see you later or in the morning.. miss you :kissing: you & whoever is here this fine, chilly eve.. keep safe, keep warm!
mikka on 13 December 2009 at 16:44
gig how are you??
nannab on 13 December 2009 at 16:45
bet there are fingerprints on something important..they maybe just can’t say yet..they would ruin the ending of this soap..
mikka on 13 December 2009 at 16:45
scrama,stay safe ,be brave, miss ya!
nannab on 13 December 2009 at 16:46
bye Scrama..see ya later.. I hafta get things ready for work..arrrrrrrrrrrrgh.. I need to retire
i agree nanna , they have to have something major i would think to put that on the table again
bb have to make beds
CASEYCANTWIN on 13 December 2009 at 16:55
hi nana hb chlry
maze on 13 December 2009 at 16:57
I just had a thought don’t most of us have to blow out nose when we cry?? I know I do
maze on 13 December 2009 at 16:58
our nose
nannab on 13 December 2009 at 16:59
Hi caseycant
maze on 13 December 2009 at 16:59
all that trash they took from the car ,I noticed that they did not find any prints on anything..I find that odd
nannab on 13 December 2009 at 17:00
she knew the cameras were on her so she didn’t wanna be gross maybe…and her mom wasn’t there to look at it…
maze on 13 December 2009 at 17:00
Nanna conwheels “pusher” to funny
maze on 13 December 2009 at 17:00
hahahhha
CASEYCANTWIN on 13 December 2009 at 17:00
SO why doesnt Lyons practice in Illinios and stay away from FloriDUH….shes is freakin boring…i mean all the things she is saying is so NOT LAW…..I love it when ashton says Lyons doesnt beleive in the dp and they are BIGGOTED STUPID KILLERS
nannab on 13 December 2009 at 17:01
that is odd because my fingerprints are on all my garbage.. I am sure..lol
gm everybody :sleeping:
Hey mikka. Good morning to you.
muesli gm how are you??
Good morning.It starting out to be a miserable day. Rain all day,then over snow yuk. Well I’m going back to bed lol.Have a great day!
GM…
debwv has a good idea. I think I’ll go back to bed also. Late night again last night. I’m getting too old for all these parties. And, I am sooooooo tired of all this picky type food. I need a good, hot meal for a change. I’ll come back later when I am not so worn out. My goal–meatloaf, mashed potatoes and peas. Back to basics for me.
P.S. I forgot the gravy.
GM Everyone…Hope you all are having a good weekend
Just a quite thought. Does anyone know what the A’s are up to after this hearing. The last one sent them, within hours, on a cruise.
oops, sorry, forgot to say good morning to you Humble. Wishing you a lovely Sunday.
quick not quite. You see. I am too tired this morning. I think my fingers are still asleep.
Hi ya Muesli and Steph!
I am not really awake either, but have been up moving for hours, lol.
Here is a video…Our dog uses her paws a lot like this. Not that she has ever saved another animal, lol. But, it is a great video, imo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofpYRITtLSg
GM Humble…Just looking outside and it seems I will be mowing wet leaves because of all the fog, lol
It is cold and rainy here! I am going to do some wrapping of gifts today!
That dog video is pretty amazing! Thanks for sharing!
It is going to be 72 here this afternoon…the normal high is 57 for this time of the year. We have gone from freezing to warming way up, but will be cooling way down again, lol
I thought it was..My youngest showed it to me last night. I believe she likes animals better than people most of the time, lol
Well, it has done nothing but rain her, and it is getting annoying….. I want some dry weather! I am tired of rain, and accidents, and slow driving….what a mess!
morning everyone..
was up early reading around on blogs and blink made the comparison of Lyons to Anne Ramsey…laughed a good one…you decide
http://www.google.com/search?q=anne+ramsey+photo&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:of
Yea, animals don’t talk back, or really cause any trouble.
GM Mema, thanks!
GM Mema…Thank you, brb
Too funny…I believe a few people thought she would be the perfect person to play Lyons in the movie…
morning humble and steph….
sure have missed you steph…you havent been on when I have for a longggggg time…great to see you again
You too Mema…Been working alot.
bbl…..be safe!
glad you mentioned the video humble…absolutely loved the song with the pics…great job
Talk to you later Humble…I am baking and trying to clean and visit on the blog, lol
see you later humble…
are you baking christmas cookies steph??? Im gonna start mine Monday…double batches and I make around 14 different kinds…my mom used to make half but cant anymore
If I dont make everyone’s favorite they feel slighted…Id like to hand them the recipe sometimes
I have not started on cookies yet…lots of poppy seed bread and a oatmeal chocolate chunk cranberry bars. Next weekend I will make all the batters for the cookies and start baking them Tuesday before Christmas
I feel the same way Mema…Everyone gets what they love, lol
love poppy seed anything….great idea Steph…making the batter ahead of time…sometimes my cookies taste stale because I have to start early to get them all done…
the very best and worst thing on my list to make are sauerkraut balls…they are so darn good tho…you serve them hot with a mustard sauce…swear I could go in business just making them..
I don’t know why but I think cookies turn out better after they have been refrigerated. Plus the fact like you said when they are baked to early they seem to go stale faster…we don’t have the preservatives in them like store bought cookies. Sauerkraut balls sound good…maybe you should go into business.
I make 4 times what they recipe is and everyone always wants more…they are a pain in the arse tho..you make a sausage and sauerkraut stuffing and then roll them in flour, then egg, then breadcrumbs and then fry them..had a german girlfriend and she showed me how to make them 30 years ago..
My mom should be able to make those, but my oma always did the cooking and never really showed my mom how to cook many things, lol.
my grandma taught me how to cook…my mom was to ocd to let us
mess us her kitchen…gotta phone call…brb
steph…son wants to take me to breakfast so I have to get ready..hope to see you again soon…missed chatting with you
Aw! Poor Anne Ramsey.
Have a good time Mema…Hope to see you soon too.
GM Hvf, lol
Morning Steph
I am just sewing and wanted to see what was happening.
Love Humble’s video. Great song.
Jeff Ashton was great. Does anyone know if “other” duct tape was found at the scene? I mean extra pieces that were not on the skull?
Yes there was a few other pieces found at the scene
Good morning all..
Hinky has a really good read about the duct tape on her site.. You can find it here, if interested:
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/?p=999
She also left a response on one of humble’s other blogs as to how she came up with the measurements.. I’ll see if I can find it real fast..
GM Justme…Thank you
Hvf..>Where is this video of Humble’s you speak of, lol. I am way behind with everything.
Here are the comments valhall left concerning the measurements and how she got them.. They’re on this blog, comment numbers 160, 162, and 167.
http://humbleopinionforum.net/2009/12/12/more-from-the-trial-videos-and-treatment/
thanks you guys. I thought that there was info like this but sometimes I miss out if I am too busy to read here for a few days. I am reading and this is interesting.
Thank you so much
I’m not hvf, but here is the video steph.. Just in case she’s busy reading and can’t get to it right away..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPpyfFhP234&feature=player_embedded
BTW.. Be ready to cry steph.. Just wanted to warn you.. *sigh*
just wanted to let you all know I have 2 weeks to go before the baby arrives!! unless i go early!!!!!
Thank you Justme…thank you for the warning too, the tears came rolling.
Humble…Love the video
This is such a good video. This is the one I was talking about. It is done so well. I love it. It has good words to the song and the song fits perfectly.
The Hinky Meter is REALLY interesting. Someone went to alot of trouble. It seems that the crime lab can do more than just measure the lengths. Could they not microscropically match up each tiny tears of the ends too?
ANd possibly teeth marks?
yeah i would think teeth marks too!!!!
Jamie.. Congratulations.. A Christmas baby.. Neat.. Best of wishes to you, your baby, and the family.. There is no better Christmas present, IMO..
December seems to be a good month for babies.. I have 3 children and a nephew who have birthdays this month, and then my youngest son’s birthday is Jan 3.. The day AFTER my middle sisters birthday, and 20 days BEFORE my baby sisters birthday.. From Dec 4th, (two children born on that day, 2 years apart), until the end of Feb, (including mine and mom’s birthday), I’m BROKE..
GM Jamie…Would you like the baby to arrive early?
hvf.. YES.. Absolutely.. And I think that may be one of the reasons Ashton was so confident in his statement in court on Friday.. I hope so anyway.. I think they have her PINNED against the wall.. With iron nails.. No chance of getting away..
wow now thats a heck of a lot of bdays all together! we have 10 bdays between sept 1st and dec 6th. i am soo excited i just cant wait for the BABY!!! my girls are soo pumped too!! except they cant come to the hospital to come see us, as no kids can visit per H1N1. they are so sad about it!! me too
i was amazed at caseys fake crying!! she was pathetic!!
Jamie.. Boy or girl?? Or do you know yet?? I have two of each.. My baby one used to say, “mom, you had us in a patteren, (pattern), girl, boy, girl, boy..
I think that someone commented something like this:
George, Cindy and Lee’s fingerprints were not found on the tape which would seem to mean that some testing was done to determine this.
So if you have no latent prints why test individuals’ prints against the tapes at all?
nope i did not find out. i wanted to, it being a surprise and the last baby, but hubby said no!! probably better!! lol for my siblings and i it goes….. boy girl boy girl boy… so i guess i have a 50/50 chance this time as i have the 2 girls already!! they want a brother real bad!!
wonder about prints on the gatorade bottle and syringe???
13jamie
I think there is more important stuff still to come.
bbl
That’s what alot of us are thinking hvf?? If there are no fingerprints at all, why are they eliminating fingerprints?? Makes no sense.. I think they DO have fingerprints on SOMETHING and it’s just not been released yet.. *Crosses fingers, toes, eyes, hairs, etc*
Meow!!
Merry Christmas!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYKxsUAmSTE
That was cute eyes.. Mommy is santa.. WHOA.. NOT on this one she isn’t..
Heh Heh Heh…..
Didnt relize this was chit chat all day.I put a recipe cook book on OT, duh.Its rainy and cold here today, and i have half a headache goin on, prolly will lay back down soon.
Eyes.. How many of those video clips have you watched?? Have you seen the beer one.. The guy and gal in a horse drawn sleigh?? *ROFLMAO*
Eyes.. Sorry for the headache.. I know your pain.. Are you on meds for them?? I have to be, or I’d just simply give up and die.. *Sigh*
have a great day,… got to get these swollen feet up, and cant do that if i’m on the computer!!
Cya later Jamie.. Good luck with the bundle of joy.. Keep us posted when you can.. *HUGS*
Just
Yeah, i got meds and this is a good day to take them.Im trying to hold off though.I didnt see the beer vid but there is a red bull one thats funny.Can you post the link on that one?
just me, thank you!! i will be sure to let you all know once i get out of the hospital!! i mean, you guys are my friends!!!
Oh hi and bye Jamie…the swelling will be over soon, in ALL areas lol
Morning ALL ty for the links
Got to go I’m going to Moms Christmas party today….she has Alzheimers and a bit more confused these days Have a Wonderful day all Be Safe!
Thanks CCW, have a great time with your mom….♥♥♥
Think its about time to lay back down..BBL
Blink has some very good sources so I tend to believe a lot of what she says and she is still standing by the fact that they do have Casey’s prints. I’m pretty sure they are on a piece of tape.
I was watching parts of the court videos again and when Ashton started talking about drugging Caylee Casey’s face didn’t reveal anything. It wasn’t until he started talking about the duct tape that she hid her face. I’m kind of believing that the chloroform didn’t play a role in her death or she would have reacted. Remember when they were going to search the Little Econ River there was no reaction from her? It wasn’t until she heard they were searching in the right place that she reacted. If you watch Friday’s video again you’ll see she doesn’t bat an eyelash about the chloroform. Interesting.
I agree Bees, I noticed the same thing. Hearing about the tape alerted her that the state has figured more than she thought they would and took her back to that day. I don’t know if she was crying because she was recalling the event or because she knew that THEY KNEW.
hi.. I feel that Caylee was taped while she was asleep in the middle of the nite.. She wouldn’t be able to cry out or try to pull the tape off … just something that has been on my mind..
Hello to everyone…
I stopped blogging almost a year ago when I realized this trial probably wouldn’t happen until 2011 what with all the “free” spin-master defense types climbing onboard the cma train. But I have kept up, I’m an admitted lurker, I’ve read the book, etc.
The hearing on Friday really jolted me, because finally kc was confronted by the prosecution with just a taste of their version of what probably happened to Caylee in June of 2008, and her saying “make them stop” was incredibly telling of what her life had been like up until now. All of her friends have admitted in interviews that they knew she lied, both her parents, grandmother, brother…I’ll just say everyone she was related to have told LE & the FBI that she was a liar, yet not one of them confronted her except maybe Cindy, who would then go on to cover up for her. Her MO was lying to get through life, & she even had something on her Facebook or MySpace page attesting to that.
What I saw on Friday was rage when she fully expected one of her attorney’s to object when Ashton began his vivid description, & probably horror when she realized that this time she was finally going to have to face the music of her own actions at long last. Even Cindy was white as a sheet, and the drama has just begun.
They were there to argue the DP, and personally I would like to see her live out her life in prison, but another side of me would love to see the smug Lyons 100% batting average blow up in her face. She looked pretty flustered when Kathi Belich called her out for giving her the elbow…I think she has reason to be flustered, because there’s a pretty good chance that Judge Strickland will let the jury decide the penalty phase of this case.
When this finally goes to trial, I expect to hear weeks of testimony about the body being moved while kc was in prison, and the defense will try to instill that one/any little element of doubt in the juror’s minds, but if I were a juror on this case it would always go back to those 31 days where kc told noone, & lived her life like the party had just started. Her own mother did her in with the 911 call, saying that it “smells like a dead body” has been in the d**n car, & George’s first interview with the FBI when he was truthful with them about kc’s real character defects. jmo, but it will be those 31 days that will convict.
I just hope that the trial will be televised here in CA, but if not, I’ll probably be able to catch it on the internet. I think it’s going to be way more dramatic than OJ’s, and that was a doozy!
Hi to you, Humble! Just thought I’d chime in!
Hi everyone!
Bee’s I am thinking chloroform did play apart, I also believe that Casey thinks she WAS smarter than your average murder, because she held off on the crying episode. Oh I believe Casey has a great memory of Caylee looking at her, trying to breath!
Right EDCeb, she remember that day well, once it was brought back into her memory!
As for the prints, there has to be someone on the tape or there wouldn’t have been anything to compare the C&G and Lees too.
Hi ya Nanna…I don’t know. Where were they sleeping?
Good afternoon humblettes!
I think Casey started to cry, one, because Bozo told her to, and then when she started to hear about the tape, it took her back to what she did. Hopefully, emotionally she’s starting to crack, due to being locked up, having scabies, gaining weight, and not being able to steal and party.
But then again, I think it was all an act. And what the frick was up with lyin Lyons, holding Caseys arm and giving her comfort.
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
Hi ya Lisa! Weird how that little lean over by Baez and then tears flow. I believe she sees that day very well, and a memory reminder helped her out. I wonder when they come out and say where it happened, if it happened at the A’s house would they move? I know I would be gone already from that place just the thought of it!
Humble.. at their house.. Cindy heard them
Well she had to be nice at one point, she had to plan the elbow to Kathi!
been watching more fireworks..glad that doesn’t go on here.. lol
I think the defense team is cracking up. Lyons giving Kathi a little shove with her elbow, Bozo telling Kathi she’s in fairyland…or they just are very intimidated by Kathi, she doens’t give up till she gets an answer!
Love the Kathi :biggrin:
nanna where are you? We had fireworks going on the other night, now sure why.
Lisa..here? did I miss it?
Gotta love the Kathi Belich! She is a power horse! And I think the d-team is intimidated by her. She isn’t afraid of any of them.
the elbowing reminds me of a big cow and pony..
Oh duh to me. I thought you meant real fireworks outside! I’m cracking myself up
Hi ya CaliPam! Good to see you! I think the only one who ever confronted Casey was George. Casey would scream and Cindy would go along with her.
Casey is an angry, angry person and the court hearing is proof.
Deb – I agree. She wasn’t expecting to hear all of that from ashton on how it happened. Also, she was mad initially, she didn’t want to hear it. For her it is gone from her mind as was appearant from her behavior after (the 31 days). She didn’t want to be forced to revisit it. By her comment “make him stop” & no one being able to stop him, including herself is beyond her normal reactive behavior. she usually could yell & lash out. It will be very interesting to see how she holds up thru out all of the details during the trial. Ashton challenged her “story” & she was fuming! Caylee was “hers”, and just as with how Cindy thinks that she owns caylee & anything to do with her, casey might believe that she was “hers” to do with as she wanted & no one should question her about it.
Is it BillS site Nanna?
Lyons is as big, if not bigger then a linebacker. That’s alot of woman or man, whichever way you want to look at it. Her hands are huge, for a female.
She needs a makeover. Not all woman that age look good with long, flowing locks. Some do, she’s not one that does.
JMO
:biggrin: Lisa! She is a HUGE person!
Lisa.. that’s what I thought…
When Casey said on the video, to make it stop, and Bozo said he can’t, shes gonna be in for a rude awakening during trial.
The stuff that’s gonna come out, just may send her into a frenzy. Then they will have to taser her.
Humble..continues from pickle to there..
Lisa, a frenzy, maybe not, but double over and in need of an ambulance, yea!
I’m still laughing at myself nanna. As Carlos Mencia would say:
“I’m a dee dee dee”.
Yea, I know! They are ruining BillS site! I am unsure what the purpose is there! I think we all need to email BillS and tell him to stop them. They all have their own sites, take it there! Grown woman acting like children. See why I never responded to MM, it would have gone on forever and MM wasn’t worth the hassle or worth a response!
Lisa..now I am wondering why the fireworks where you live..lol
Here is a link to Contact Bill! I am going to write him and tell him that he needs to stop the crap going on, on his site. It makes for a terrible place to post a response.
http://www.defenselaw.net/contacts.asp
Humble.. you did it the right way.. I will never comment on any of those sites..they are into themselves too much.. but I do enjoy reading their nonsense.. it is comical
nanna, lisa – don’t laugh, but we saw fireworks here last night too!!!
I thought my friend was crazy when she said she saw them ( we were in the car). But I saw them a few minutes later. 
I was wondering why fireworks at this time of year too!
Thanks Molly for sharing that. I thought I was going crazy myself the other night when I saw them. We were driving and I saw them in the distance, and of course my hubby tells me, fireworks this time of year, nah….
He knows everything (in his mind), lol :biggrin:
humble, who is Bill and what is his site?? I’m out of the loop
I won’t laff.. maybe to celebrate the 12 days of Christmas.. ?? dunno.. *snicker
I think baez & lyon were both shocked & befuddled after the hearing. Baez couldn’t even speak properly. That whole stopping & talking to the press did not go well for him.
It makes me mad that they ruin BillS blog with their childish behavior!
Lisa, Bill Sheaffer, it is on the left towards the top under blogroll!
Bill believes strongly in *freedom of speech..
The defence team all need to go to Toastmasters/mistress…. lol
Molly, when Casey said, ‘make them stop’, it proved just how much she’s been conditioned to believe she can control. Cindy running out was exactly the same thing. How dare the state do such a thing? Their arrogance and desire to control everything is showing through. They all go through life with blinders and earplugs. Too bad they didn’t have gags too. Sweet justice.
Deb –
about the gags!
Totally agree about them having no control over this. Cindy’s gonna be running in & out of that courtroom all day! But casey has to sit there, we’re gonna see alot of red face & clenched teeth I think!!
If you listen to the part 4 hearing:
http://www.wftv.com/video/21932889/index.html
at 18:00 start there when he says the attorney’s have not made the death penalty decision, you will her huh around this time.
bbl, gotta eat!
Thank you humble. I’ll have to check him out.
Wow, there are some really odd comments going on, on his blog. Stuff that has nothing to do with the case.
Hello Everyone…I am not sure if she duct taped Caylee’s hands or not. But, I am still really thinking she drugged Caylee whether it be chloroform or something like benadryle.
I have wondered if the duct tape was either used to bound Caylee or if it was used to bound the top of the trash bag. I can’t remember what the trash bags looked like at the top. But, when Kronk kicked the bag Caylee’s skull came out. I will look in a little while and see if they found the top of the bag…I believe the Anthonys used the type that tied.
Hi folks!
The hinkymeter was very interesting.But Casey won’t ever tell the truth. But forenics are great,and maybe they will come close to finding the answers. RIP Caylee.
Hi everyone! I think that chloroform or something has been used on Caylee numerous times. I also believe when she was with the “SO CALLED” nanny, she spent her time in the trunk of that car! As for her arms, I have no idea! I think that Casey did what she had to do to get rid of Caylee!
Lisa, his blog is ruined by the trouble makers! They need to take it to their own blogs. They just fuel the fire at BillS.
The prosecutor brought up a great point that I never thought about before. Something to the effect of…a child that age should have been able to remove the duct tape, so Caylee must have been impaired in some way, if she couldn’t remove the tape. That is 10 times smarter than anything Baez could ever come up with…
Hi ya Gig! I agree! Even after hearing that they couldn’t come up with anything that good! Casey did do something to her whether medicating her or tying up her hands…who knows..
Hi Humble! Notice Baez has yet to come up with anything definitive as far as why Casey couldn’t have done this. Casey continually lied about the last time she saw Caylee and Caylee was last seen with Casey. There is absolutely no proof that anybody else had access to Caylee from the time she was last seen with Casey until her death.
Did anyone else notice how Casey grabs her own wrist when Aston mentioned Casey must have been restrained? I noticed it Friday & being busy have not read all posts to see if anyone else posted about seeing what I saw. Anyway, I think it was an instant reflex on Casey’s part given without thought but in her own mind that she did restrain Caylee with tape during or before taping Caylee’s mouth.
Then I think when she noticed what she may have done by this touching her wrist, pulled it ever so gently back down again with the dumbest “rutroh” look on her face..
Sometimes when someone mentions something we sometimes automatically touch that part of our body without thinking.. I know I raised four boys & automatic reflex impulses helped me get to the bottom of things many times over.
Hi ScRaMa! I didn’t see that, but that is a good point. I don’t think Casey has a conscience, but I think the discussion of how Caylee spent the last moments of her life, hit home for Casey. She probably knows she can’t weasel her way out of this.
sorry, Gig.. I didn’t say GE to everyone but eating dinner same time & had to get that out there before I forgot.. lol
I found it rather telling on her part, when I noticed.. you are right she definitely has no conscious, but I do think she was so nervous mho & was not thinking, sort of like when the body takes over or maybe this was Caylee’s ghost?
all I know is that right there could prove something! I showed it to the son & he said, sure I’d definitely say that proves she restrained her daughter!
I watched the video again. There was something about Cindy,no not the new hair do. To me it looks like she had a facelift done.
Hi debwv. If Cindy got a facelift, Caylee surely paid for it. I hear people on disability get facelifts all the time…
Deb, who knows.. if the A’s are still having the “free life” could be a facelift is affordable by said monies! Must be nice to have things like a hairdo, facelift, & cruise! I’m lucky if I can even get my hair done once a week. & yeah, at this age, a facelift would do me a favor! :biggrin:
She did look different but not in a good way.. she just looked uglier, mho
I think she looks like a scar-a-crow..
yeah, my wife just said if Cindy had work done, she should get her money back.
Gig..don’t give her any suggestions for any more free money…lol
I am not sure she had a facelift, but I am sure she has aged alot in the past year!
nanna.. good point! It is so beyond me how these ppl continue showing their faces all over, including the hearing Friday, tho supposed! She did try to hide her face, going out, pressing her face into the wall & hurriedly into the elevator! she should be ashameed but no doubt shame for her so called perfect family opposed to shame for living off her dead grandbaby! She has no shame when it comes to the free life!
I think the combination of the new hairdo and aging makes Cindy look so different. George has aged a lot too.
I think she changed her hair and wore no makeup to look thinner and garner a more sympathetic audience.
Being as two-faced as Cindy is, you’d think she would have worn the other one.
Humble.. she sure has aged as did Georgy boy!
Humble I think she hid her face because she WASN’T crying. She ran right around the corner. Since when did Cindy ever pass up a camera opportunity or to get possible sympathy.
btw.. GE Humble & before I forget because I haven’t been able to catch up on sleep nor posts in here since night before the hearing… when do we get a new OT page?
Hi Deb! I was thinking the same thing. Cindy is so calculating…I wouldn’t put anything past her.
ecDeb, mo is that Cindy didn’t like hearing the truth about how her daughter killed her grandbaby! She showed shame, mo she still makes me
Here ya go…
http://humbleopinionforum.net/wp-content/uploads/cindy.jpg
Well, I must say that the 3 liars are the ones aging! Cindy, George and the murderer!
I agree Scrama that she didn’t like the truth but that doesn’t mean she cried.
I agree Gig, she could have orchastrated the entire thing. George looked mighty uncomfortable with the show.
oh Humble, did you notice how killer mom went for her wrist when Aston mentioned restraint? her gestures do sometimes tell on her!
…and it looks good on them Humble.
ScRaMa, I did! Casey knows what she has done, and now she knows the state knows. I am still looking for the part that says “make them stop” I am yet to find it~!
the group around her made me sick… and who was in the group.. water seeks it’s own level…
your right ecDeb, i don’t remember seeing her cry, it was mostly for guilt or show.. like feel sorry for me.. just like her daughter.. two peas in a pod.. so alike!
Both pics are ugly Humble.
thanks Humble, you just reminded me.. I couldn’t find that part either! I have gone over them, tho hard to do with chatty Lyon, but yes, would like to hear her say “make them stop”
Especially sewer water, Nanna.
Ya know, alot of people are saying, oh the crying the jury will have sympathy for her…but not when they listen to her on the 911 call, the news conference when she was indicted, when she was partying for 31 days! People will see that and go, why is she crying now?
Thanks ECDeb, but I copied and pasted from other pics….sorry, can’t make then look any different!
Nanna, remember the last episode of Mary Tyler Moore. They had a group hug and all had to move towards the tissues cuz Mary was crying. Everytime I see that video of Cindy, I start laughinb.
Maybe she had that laser stuff, where they laser off the dead skin?? Something like that.
Either way, she looks as ugly on the outside as she is on the inside. She’s a very bitter woman, and she’s bitter at the wrong people.
nanna.. made me
too.. reminded me a bunch of losers back in high school & I don’t mean nerds, cause I was one! :biggrin: Oh & I’m a winner as is anyone who frequents HummbleO.. :kissing: oh yeah, I’m a big kissup!
No one can make her look better, Humble. The woman is ugly inside and out, just like her daughter.
I just looked at the photo’s, she has had eye work done!!! Still doesn’t help.
EC..I don’t think she was crying.. I think she was just cussing…but laffing at that scene.. wonder if they know how silly they all looked..then cramming into elevator.. lmbo
A jury will see right through all the courtroom theatrics. Not only was Casey partying for 31 days, but she didn’t lift a finger to find Caylee and was emotionless when discussing Caylee with LE. LP said Casey never mentioned Caylee when she was home from jail. Those factors will also loom large in the minds of the jury.
Well, I am not sure where that part is, but I can’t find it on any of the news sites, either Scrama!
Sacrama.. they aren’t nerds.. nerds are winners LOL..u were lucky LOL
I too lmbo when they all packed into the elevator! Like hurry before we get caught in the door! god, what a bunch of sickos! well, I am getting rather upset still over the whole bunch of them! I need anoher chill pill.. bbl
phone
oh, nanna.. got that right & why I said Losers.. I bet we do have a lot of nerds here.. I can’t be the only one??
laffing now about elevator..and Conwheel wedging in with his pusher.. like the only ones on thier side.. all in one box..
in moderation.. :sideways:
ScRaMa are you a geek or a nerd? :biggrin: I say neither! But you brought it up!
Well, I guess you shouldn’t have said any of that Nanna!
I have no clue what is up with moderation. Many have been in there, including myself!
I would never wanna be a geek..
Humble, I’m not sure if I remember seeing it posted here but not sure who posted it.. I don’t go far from “home” so had to be here. I want to hear it so bad! Oh well.. maybe someone can find it on one of the vids
I have to stop refreshing or will continue with this I am going to vent & or say something bad to put me in moderation?
out now.. what did I say? lol
Were you put in timeout nanna?
Gig..prolly wanted me to stop laffin.. lol
Nanna, I have no clue what you said, but apparently it was bad! LOL I have no clue, I even went into moderation for who knows why then the day of the hearing I said chit spelled the right way, and it posted immediately! so I have no clue what the deal is!
Humble.. remember “Refenge of the Nerds” when the nerds took over the school and all the hot chicks fell for the nerdy guys?
well, when I was in HS, I was a nerd.. took typing, all the nerdy classes, even in future homemakers of America.. I wore glasses too & still do. I even dated a nerd & ended up married to him!
No I was not a geek, just a nerd!
:biggrin: Scrama! Your cracking me up!
are you also a nerd, Humble? bet you could be! :biggrin: I am betting on it!
SraMa
I have raised 6 children and I know exactly what you are talking about when someone is hurt, then you grab that part of yourself as a reaction. I remember when my son broke his arm, when I thought about it after, I would hold my own arm when it came into my arm. It was like reliving it or something.
I am watching this segment right now and will watch for when wf does that.
Humble.. look at it this way.. a nerd has more smarts than a loser! we are winners because we have smarts.. anyone here is a winner or a nerd because we know where our home is we stay here or home!
sorry I mean into my mind
hvf.. let me know if you see the same thing when she touches her wrist.. Humble said she saw it
Hi All, I saw this when bozo and Casey at the table and lyon doing her talking and talking the minute lyon said Casey loved Caylee and needs to be told she is loved!! Casey stated to try and cry and Bozo leaned in at her ear and when he was leaning away don’t know what was being said maybe good job with the crying but when he pulled away he had a smile on face for just a second!! My hubby and I record it so to be able to rewind or stop it, we have looked at this many times and that we believe is what he did!! As anyone else seen this?
hi everyone
i second that scrama !! we know where our home is
halfspot.. I posted that soon after the hearing that I thought Bozo was cueing her when to cry! when she was crying he edged closer to her & she seemed to settle, it was like he said, good show but save some for later? mo
I just looked at the wrist thing..also looking for the *stop him words..couldn’t find… they wrist thing..she moved her hand there pretty quick.. she may be having a lot of nightmares..
my puter is moving slow. I think it is hot. I turned it off a min. and put fan next so I am just waiting and watching.
Halfspot, I’m sure Baez tells Casey she is loved all the time…
humble this is where you hear casey say “make him stop ” , around the 10 second mark , listen carefully because it’s fast
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2009/12/11/fl.casey.anthony.hearing.cnn?iref=allsearch
Right but I’m talking of the smile on his face!? To me that to show’s it’s all just a show not really crying for Caylee only cares about herself but then we all knew this!!
Good evening Humble and everyone else that’s here.. Here is the video of “Make him stop”.. and “I can’t”.. It’s right at the beginning of Ashton’s comments.. Turn your volume up.. It’s very clear..
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2009/12/11/fl.casey.anthony.hearing.cnn?iref=allsearch
Now.. Gotta run.. I’m running late getting my Sunday cleaning at the offices done.. EEEKKKK!!!! Don’t wanna go.. *Sigh*
Halfspot.. I have played that part over and over..she cries more after that and that is after she touches her wrists..
chlry.. Great minds.. What else can I say??
I’m out now.. Cya’ll asap.. *HUGS*
Here is the aged leaving the courtroom:
http://humbleopinionforum.net/wp-content/uploads/leavin1.jpg
lol justme , i was looking all over for it
while I am waiting, I want to give Lyons a bit of advice. Have you ever heard of CONCISE? I can spell that for you if you want?
she looks like maybe did she lighten her eyebrow hair , and now the hair is off the face , i don’t know if she had surgery or not
Sorry, I can’t hear it! I can hear Ashton loud and clear though!
Thanks justme!
Cindy looks like a ghost.. scary
I can’t hear it either …
I think she just isn’t feeding herself food..
I listened for the “meke them stop it” but still didn’t hear it at all! darnit!
OK, it is right at the beginning. Boy she sure thinks that Lyon not only can elbow, but can stop the prosecution.
humble and nanna when he says with duct tape over her head and mouth , is when she says it
Looking at that, I bet Lyons now knows she is guilty!
Gosh, it is very audible. Casey appears angry at first, then turned on the water works.
Scrama, make sure the volume is up at the beginning, it is hard to hear the faint “make him stop” while talking about the ducttape!
Ashton is so good tho.. he could have been a preacher.. I remember having a preacher who spoke just like that & many times I would start crying right there in church & don’t laugh, I took it as I was bad & needed redeemed or something not that I was guilty of sumpin; :biggrin: unless it was having sumpin’ good before my vows.. I was a nerd with desires!
I’m trying it once again.. maybe get rid of some background static.. like where is that darn duct tape when ya need it! the dbf needs me & can’t hear anything!
Humble…You have mail
Make sure the volume is up on your puter too! That was my problem and couldn’t hear it. It is like seconds into that video.
fourth part at 23.56 right after he says on her nose and mouth…he pauses and you hear Casey. Than he continues on with any child at that age
http://www.wftv.com/video/21932889/index.html
BBL- going take a nap did not sleep well last nite see you all, have a good one!!
BTW Hi everyone…Only here for a few, lol
And at 22.21 you can hear Casey say I understand
Hi ya Halfspot…didn’t see you hiding!
Steph, it is easier to hear on cnn then wftv. Why does she want them to stop, would bring back a bad memory! lol
bbl…..be safe!
Hi everyone..OMG Casey did say make him stop……All i have to say is THE TRUTH HURTS DOESNT IT CASEY!
hi steph , i just can’t believe she even thought that there was a chance it could be stopped
hb humble be safe!
See you Humble…I would say that is probably right. Plus she doesn’t want everyone to hear what she did to Caylee.
I wonder if any of that soaked into SPINDYS brain yet?
^5 Steph
bye humble
Im wondering if we will be hearing from the Judge tomorrow??
I’m going to listen again later.. right now too much going on with cats meowing & dbf’s loud music.. here in a bit I I’ll just lock the door & then listen for it again! Geez, what’s a gal gotta do.. btw the dbf is a nerd too! :biggrin:
my mom asked me that today ccw , i don’t know for sure but thought he said monday
Hi Caseycantwin and Chlry
Chlry..She is an idiot, but than again look at her mom. CIndy was pi**ed that we all didn’t believe what she said about the pizza and so on. Like they can direct everyone what to do and believe.
BOZO is whispering to her the whole time and im thinking i heard him say something about a change of venue…..but i cant be sure…..i mean thats so rude
ooops, didn’t see you, Steph, sorry but GE to you & hugs
guess my ears aren’t too good…is it before or after Bozo leans over..?
Hi Scrama…Just remember it is right after he says on Caylee nose and mouth. Lawson than pauses and Casey says it and than he goes on to a child at that age…
Hugs back to you Scrama
Nanna…It is while the cameras are on Lawson’s back…not while on Casey.
hiiii !!!!!
and when she start crying her face getting red,this shows she is angry,she caught her!
cma say in her BOSS attitude “stop them” (ashton),hahahaahh cma is no more the BOss!!!
How does pizza have maggots when there never was any pizza to begin with……SPINDYS a nurse and she doesnt know the difference between maggots and coffin flies?
CCW, they could move the trial to the moon and it wouldn’t make any difference.
right at the beginning nanna , the 1st 10 seconds
i agree steph , and the way they ( cindy ) tried to lead le back when , away from looking for a dead caylee
steph thats not lawson!
hi mikka , she was angry right when he started off talking about it , she made those mouth movements as if to say , how dare he (ashton ) talk about this , then red and tears
Hi Mikka
Chlry…so very true
In this link it is 23.56 and also at 22.21 you can hear Casey say…I understand
http://www.wftv.com/video/21932889/index.html
Lyons clearly said to her cuz i read her lips…Im sorry honey! ….thing is shes going to get accustom to hearing it because they are going to hammer the DUHfence with those exact words….
BTW you can fast forward by just taking the whatever it is called that shows the time, lol
Mikka…You are right is it Ashton?
chlry,yes i agree,this a guilty tears,when i cry ,i must clean my nose too,she never to this!
I always think Lawson because he is the head attorney for the state…Plus like CIndy said he is going after Casey to get re-elected
ashton is not lamar!lamar is ashtons chief!
Yes Mikka…I know, I just always have Lawson’s name pop in my head because he is the big guy.
How are you?
steph i am glad ashton speak up like this,does nobody forget its only ONE victim here and thats caylee!i was waiting months of this speak,and now finally happen!
phone bb
steph,i am good,still down from lyons speak!
Mikka…He did a really really good job. He grabbed everyone’s attention and told them they way it is. I am glad too.
I tell you if they think Lyons is going to get the dp off the table with an argument like that…they are crazy. She is too long winded without passion. To tell people the state is trying to kill Casey isn’t going to win because they are thinking about how Casey murdered Caylee and innocent baby that was her child, imo.
OH yeah i heard her stay that……i think Casey wrote a question for Lyons……she made some of those same nose mouth movements when she was on the phone in the jail to…..they will become infamous movements…
steph,i dont cant remember what lyons was saying!she is boring!
yep mikka i been waiting for casey to get a taste of her own medicine…….and now……..YES YES YES!
I couldn’t pay attention to Lyons…Not because she is Casey’s defense attorney, but because she is boring…no passion or at least I didn’t hear any, which in turn to me is no conviction in what she believes
bozo will file a motion ,because teh microphones dont was working right!
Mikka…I am there with you, lol
I sure hope they are not going to use that as a reason to try and remove the cameras from the court
ccw more to come,better ashton take the first seat in this case,i was so impressed,he brought me to tears,and thats says a lot!
steph,i will know ,why baden is no more there,thats weird!
steph,yes bozo will try!
Mikka…I said the other day…I wonder how LKB is taking not getting all of the attention or sharing the attention with Baez? I really believe she took this case to be in front of the cameras and it isn’t happening now. She was on tv the last time they did a media blitz wasn’t she? I know it wasn’t the today show, but I thought the morning show and I also could be totally wrong, lol
my hubby was days away,i show him today the video from cma crying,he say
1.bozo told cma ,you better be start crying now!
and my hubby say he understand cindy run out,when she hear how caylee was murdered!
im telling you i can wait i know ill be one who is sitting on the edge of my seat when ashton is hammering her….yeah LKB wasnt there but i think maybe she had something else to do that day…….OH please let her not sit on the DUHfence
just came back to PC room & saw you Mikka.. just had to say Hi & send hugs
I am okay with Aston taking first seat as long as he can continue like this. But, if he starts getting real mad or whiny I worry. It is better to fight the defense with the knowledge you have instead of going back and forth like he did last time…long ago.
steph,may she dont get along with lyons!or she dont get no money from bozo and plantickets (first class) are expensive! :win
scrama :wub: hahahhahahahahaah huggie!
i agree mikka …….i dont think Spindy even had a clue……before last friday morning…..Hows she going to stop it now….NEED YOUR ZANNY SPINDY?
I am wondering if at 21.22 or whatever I wrote up top when Casey says “I understand” if this is when they told her the first time to show emotion?
mikka your hub is right , he looked like he leaned in and said cry now ! the only real tears she shed that day were for her not caylee
Mikka.. I too wonder why baden is no longer there? not sure I heard any reason why or if she’s still with them
I think Cindy knew exactly how Caylee was murdered…I have a feeling they have read just as much of the discovery and heard about it long ago just like all of us.
For Lyons to say they have no reason to ask for the dp is crazy…All you have to do is read the discovery and know why they are asking now. They have Caylee’s remains and they were found with duct tape over her mouth…
ccw ,at trial,cindy and geo will hear what murder and sl..,thief,liar her daughter is.the best she make NO door in the courtroom,does both can run out again!
scrama,may baden try to get phil spector an appeal!
Okay…I have to get the lights on the tree and the dumplings made…Hope to talk to you all later. If not have a good night everyone
steph,when lyons die,she will go to hell with all her saved murderes and than in hell,her killers will kill her a second time!!
steph,bye see ya!
steph, later this evening, I’m going thru all vids again & taking notes of each time she starts & stops crying, when Bozo whispers whatever, when she says what, etc. I have to get it all down to make more sense of it, mo
possibly…..she was looking very stoic in the beginning….now she turns on the tears…and that red face doesnt do anything for me…i means shes been to court now how many times and this is the first time she really cried….or made like she did…
i hear her on that link you gave steph say i understand , she also goes hmm , right before saying it like , here we go
bye, steph
bye steph
i wish i could hear exactly what BOZO is telling her to
bye steph be safe!
lol.. Mikka I forgot how busy baden is
back..still my ears are bad.. I missed a lot here..hi and bye Steph..thanks..
hi mikka
ccw
bozo want his privats visits with her! :kissing:
nannab how are you???
scrama
I do hope the FBI has fingerprint evidence we don’t know about yet.
the jury will see 31 days,party,alcohol,shedding no tears,and now she cry at trial????? it dont will work!its to late for tears!
I’m good mikka..just a little lazy.. how are you? :sideways:
gig,yeah ,i was waiting of this,when ashton start to talk!
nannab,i too tired and lazzy,thats sundayz!
Hi mikka!
hi again nanna & bye.. sorry, have to get dbf’s things ready for work.. he makes me busy..
Mikka.. hope to see you later or in the morning.. miss you :kissing: you & whoever is here this fine, chilly eve.. keep safe, keep warm!
gig
how are you??
bet there are fingerprints on something important..they maybe just can’t say yet..they would ruin the ending of this soap..
scrama,stay safe ,be brave,
miss ya!
bye Scrama..see ya later.. I hafta get things ready for work..arrrrrrrrrrrrgh.. I need to retire
nannab,so true,fingerprints is the end of all!
i think so too nanna , it will come out more towards when trial begins maybe , i hope
I am doing good mikka. I hope you are too.
i go to,must start cooking
see ya
friends! :kissing:
bye scrama
bye mikka
If they didn’t have a clue as to who did it..I don’t think the the DP would be there..
i agree nanna , they have to have something major i would think to put that on the table again
bb have to make beds
hi nana hb chlry
I just had a thought don’t most of us have to blow out nose when we cry?? I know I do
our nose
Hi caseycant
all that trash they took from the car ,I noticed that they did not find any prints on anything..I find that odd
she knew the cameras were on her so she didn’t wanna be gross maybe…and her mom wasn’t there to look at it…
Nanna conwheels “pusher” to funny
hahahhha
SO why doesnt Lyons practice in Illinios and stay away from FloriDUH….shes is freakin boring…i mean all the things she is saying is so NOT LAW…..I love it when ashton says Lyons doesnt beleive in the dp and they are BIGGOTED STUPID KILLERS
that is odd because my fingerprints are on all my garbage.. I am sure..lol
Remember they did find a latent print on something…they just haven’t told us on what and who’s finger print it is
she just kept using that tissue to wipe away tears , no blowing because she wasn’t crying hard enough , she can stop in a snap
i don’t know much about finger prints , but maybe she had gloves on when removing all that nasty stuff from her truck , and moving the body
trunk geez
Agreed
hi steph and chlry
any gloves found?
oj had the glove
lol nanna , oj had the glove is right , no gloves that i have heard of were found