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Good morning everyone,
The expectations for today’s Budget Review session may be too high. Several bloggers (including myself) are still curious about the unaccounted for money that Team Casey spent out of the $345,000 that they claimed was spent on her defense. If IIRC, the day after the Indigency Hearing, Judge Strickland and JAC had an in-camera meeting to discuss that issue.
I could be wrong, but today’s session will be about what Team Casey plans to spend going forward. If that is the case and IF Baez is prepared for a high level budget review, here is an example of what he should come prepared to present and expound on (when applicable). IMO, the cost associated with the Expert Witnesses will be the biggest sticky point. However, Judge Perry will clear that up real quickly!
CLIENT BUDGET: Indigent for Cost (Proposed)
Depositions……………………………. $ XX, 000.00
Investigations……………………………$ XX, 000.00
Expert Witness Research/Testing ..…….$ XX, 000.00
Traveling………………………………..$ XX, 000.00
Transcripts……………………………….$ X, 000.00
Court Cost……………………………….$ X, 000.00
Misc (other cost assoc. w/due process)….$ X, 000.00
Total Proposed Budget………………….$ XXX, 000.00
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Detailed Budget review discussion
• #Witness Depositions * #hrs/depo * JAC $ = $ XX, 000.00
• Investigations #hrs * JAC $ = $ XX, 000.00
• Expert Witness Research/Testing # hrs * $ XX,000.00 = $ XX, 000.00 (JAC rates N/A revised: pending ruling on motion filed 5/4/10)
• Traveling: Expert Witnesses, Investigators & Attys = $ XX, 000.00
• Cost per copy of Transcripts (i.e. typed, audio, video, etc) = $ XX, 000.00
• Court Cost associated with due process procedures = $ XX, 000.00
• Misc (other cost assoc. w/due process) include but are not limited to copies, long distance ph calls, postage, etc. $ X, 000.00
hey smoke!!
Hi Caper!
“Quite frankly!” How many times did Baez say that?! Geez
good morning guys! Smoke, I lost count of the quite franklys lol.
Hi chrissybk!
Good to see you.
Glad you could join us today. Looking forward to your take on today’s hearing.
Thanks Smoke, always good to be here with you guys! Where is Mikka this morning?
chrissybk,
Mikka was here just before the hearing started. Maybe she is lurking!
Mikka lurking????? Nooooooooo, never! LOL
Yeeehawwww!! DENIED!!!
DENIED,perry denied the defense BS!ahhahahahahhhhahaha
chrissyk cookie,how are you????nice to see ya!
oh happy day
Hi Mikka! Muahhzzzzz!
This judge is not going to play the duh-fense games. He has other things to do!
((((((((((DDDDDDEEEENNNIIIEEEDDD))))))))) hope bozo know how to spell DENIED!
Hi Marsha,
Judge Perry was gentle and thorough about it, but he clearly said the Motion to Seal all JAC records was DENIED! Defense did not meet the burden of proof in it’s argument to warrant the sealing of subject documents.
I am ok mikka muffin, counting the days until we start taking rv trips together across the country, my bestest bestie in the whole wide world!
OMG I love this judge!!!!!!!!!
chrissy
dont cant wait take the trip!
flush a ronnie!
azrenne,perry know the law,bozo NOT!
Perry says ” show me the money!!!!” Ilove it. He is going to make him submit details of that 160,00.
i will know how much $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ cma get!
azrennee,thats good news!
Lee screwed up on anither case, wasn’t it O.J’s trial??
i love the JAC man,he fight for the taxpayers!
This judge is calm and collect and doesn’t miss a beat.
caper,no he hide evidence in the spector trial,a fingernail!
Caper,
I think it was the Phil Spector (sp?) case.
caper,i agree,bozo dont cant fool with perry!
Mikka, you are so quick!
Right smoke, Spector case!!!
s&m high speed internet!
i think it was 12 hair what dr.lee found,and now its 17 hair,bozo is a liar!
Bozo is starting to sound like the teacher from the charlie brown cartoons to me. whomp whomp whomp whomp whomp whomp lol
chrissy
perry give him a hard time,hahahahahhah
the one “experts” from bozo travel to cma relatives ,i guess she want them for the death phase at trial!
Oh now Miss Barett is only a social level with the A’s and very close to C.C.?? A big happy family!!
MEMO to BOZO
Good job Bozo, you finally corrected that hire date, took ya long enough! Has anyone ever told you that quite frankly you might as well speak out of your arse because quite frankly everything you say is bullchit?
Missed that, Barrett is paid $50.00 an hour? Sounds cheap if she is the 2nd most important person on the defense?
Fla state pays how much to have a bunch of relatives talk about what a psycho Casey is??? Its in her best interest to work with mitigator, who cares about the trust etc. BS.
they so did NOT want this judge!!!!! I love it…
Im so happy Casey has a friend in all this, arent you all? Gag me…The wheels of the bus are filled with muffin crumbs …The a’s better watch out. I hope Lee see the writing on the wall and tells all he knows, cause she is going to try to ruin his life to save her own…
K.C. enjoys every second of her 15 minutes of fame!!
Based on what we’ve heard from Casey, Lee, G & C Ant, IMO it does not matter if Ms. Barrett or anyone else interviews them… what they’ve been selling is a bunch of lies and the public is not buying it.
Mikka, this judge is giving them NO quarter…Im glad Henry Lee is still in, he is going to be desecrated at trial…probably thrown out before its over.
What did she find so amusing? (when she was writing her luv letter a minute ago)
I didn’t see the A’s there, did I miss them? Where’s their loyalty!!
Poor little psychopath Casey..what is the family going to tell them, when they never even showed up when Caylee was missing??? Good luck with that. Very reliable witnesses only to Casey being a big liar and thief, which is all second hand info from Shirley and Cindy.
$40.00 hahaha
Detailed records of time (past & future)… this will be monitored with a fine tooth comb!
i got goosebumps,when perry say,when she is found guilty,
1.life in prison
2.DEATH!
i love perry does he tell cma in the face what can comes!
No staying at the Ritz for Ms Barrett!
If Ms. Barrett, Mitigation Expert upgrades from a compact rental car she will be expected to pay the difference.
LOL, guess she won’t be staying at the Ritz and eating crab cakes? She’ll be staying at the no tell motel, eating McDondalds and driving a rent a wreck…
Did ya notice Bozo quickly closed his file when JAC came up?
bozo start talking about tim millers docs,perry stop him and told him,he miss the question!
looks like perry will keep the D.P,when he say when cma is guilty,
death,or life in prison!
is the maggots(c and geo) at court too????
I didn’t see the maggots, maybe they are tired of being shunned by K.C.
bozo have 19 experts,hahahah perrys face was pricless! :shocked:
Yeah, rolling his eyes!!
caper,yep he was smile and roll his eyes!hahah
God she’s a cold witch, if someone was talking about my daughter in a skeliatal state, I would show emotion, break down.
you saw the shackles when she walk out!thats PRICELESS! klick,klack,klick,klack
Court’s in recess until 10:45 a.m. – BREAK! Smoke ‘em if you’ve got ‘em!
BBIAB
caper,i bet with you,perry try tom make her cry,my gut tell me he test her!
Wow, this is a whole different case. I love that the state sits back and lets B hang himself with nonsense. I guess Judge Perry is not bedazzled by Mason, thats why he is just shutting up his mouth.
Has anyone seen the A’s? I guess talk of bills kept them away lol.
you saw cma the prison guard told her dont stand up,and she talk with bozo,cma was thinking she can drink a coffee with bozo!!!
azrennee
They will coach her how to make crocodile tears at trial
She is one cold fish isnt she Mikka? No evpression change whether they talk about Caylees skeleton, dump site etc.
I really thought she was going to get a LWOP sentence, but if the defense acts the same slimey way in front of the jury, or tries to dress her in old maid clothes, when the defense has the push up bra pole dancing pics, the jury will just be pi$$ed at the subterfuge. No one will feel sorry for her.
Hey Everyone!!!!! I’m lurking. Just wanted to say hi and yes she is a cold hearted being. I’m not surprised anymore by anything she does or says.
azrennee,she is cold!perry watch her closly and i bet he tihnk,she is the coldest what he ever saw!
in session are a little bit mad,because bozo say,media a leaches!
mama how are you??? dont saw you fro a long time!
why is mason so quiet,i bet he tink this case is fun!NOT
Why doesn’t the camera scan the court room
bozo is so funny,when she is “innoncent” how he say,i dont want 19 experts!
adjusting her bells?
If Judge Perry keeps saying this, she may finally believe it!!! SEEKING THE DEATH PENALTY!!
I’m good Mikka! I lurk alot…at work. I keep up with all of ya though.
I sure wish it was legal for all of us to slap the crap out of her. Can you see everyone standing in line just to slap her. She would be like a bobble head.
Baez too!
mama,goood to hear you are o.k!
azrennee,i still bet perry test her,he see she have no reaction,he knows she dont care!
hey hey friends!
Aye, ‘quite frankly’ is like quite honestly, I mean what are you trying to say, Josie?
Why does he hire everyone from out of state?
hi all!
Lots of tech problems this morning. self-employed means keeping ‘em happy. what did I miss?
Im watching now..how long is this..I noticed casey preening for the show
looks lik perry let the airtest in to trial,he say bozo can have 2 experts for this airtest!
caper,what i dont get,bozo was saying,his experts work all for free an d now he want money!
I heart the new judge!
Pro Bono???
Did he think, ask and I will receive? Perry is great!!
soon bozo want 2 squirrrls to test! what a dumm arse!
Mikka, that would be dead squirrels that can climb
marsha
bozo is a FARCE!judge perry is laughing about him!
i raed on another blog,only conway is in court,cma through a fit does c and geo is not there!
update for now,bozo have 19 experts,BUT for now 7 get paid!
WTH get the court back on!!!
Someone turned on the wrong camera, on the same feed as the court LOL
court must be over…
Either over or they took a lunch break?
It’s showing again on TRU TV
They are in sidebar now
still rubbing her hands, adjusting her blouse, it never ends.
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/subindex/our_programs/live
it is still on fox 35 they have just gone for another sidebar
OH MY big surprise defense…wonder what the expert will say…its ok to party when your child has been rippede out of your arms by an imaginary nanny? Maybe their expert is a Nanny, who will testify how you always want to keep the kids you babysit for free..
Thank you Wb
sorry guys, just reading, watching & thought i would let you know since wftv messed up.
Looks like she is losing weight, wonder what she is doing with all those beef sticks she orders…
dont you just love how she goes into shutdown mode while the lawyers are off doing their thing? i bet all this talk of the death penalty is finally getting to her
Casey probably hasnt sat in one position this long since she failed to graduate from high school…laying on her back doing what she does best, laying on her belly watching tv, never drove too far as she always ran outta gas before long…
She should be there otherwise we pay Bozo to go to her jail and explain what happened in court???
Kewl, we get to watch her ugly face more
cma dont will come to court no more,ahhahahahaah denied!
He’s not even worth the $5 per hour he’s charging.
rattle rattle rattle, and therrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr she goes!
Wow, 3 1/2 hours!!
azrennee
wow wonder who the surprise witness is..inquiring leeches want to know!!!
marsha
klick,klack,klick,klack,shackle,shackle! 
azrenee a surprise witness??? for teh prosecution or defense??
Dispute the plants, dispute the bones, dispute the decomp odor, but how do you dispute the 31 days??? It all comes back to that. I would sit in the jury room and keep up the mantra…31 days, dancing, drinking, partying, doing the dirty, shopping, thieving, how do you disregard all that???
the expert in camera for the defense…big secret!!!
this was the longest hearing ever!
azrennee,oohhhh bozo is an arse.he bluff!
Maybe a gynecologist who will say Casey has venereal disease, and subsequent crazy…
mason is an idiot too,cma dont want to go to the hearings no more,later on she can appeall for this!she tink perry is stupid!
azrenee
azrennee,may she is pregnant again!this time we will find the father!
3.5 hr Budget Hearing… and highly productive. Even though I’m sure Casey thought it was quite boring. Who cares about whose money (tax payers) is being used to pay for her defense…. after all she’s spent a good part of her life spending other ppl’s money.
Enjoy the rest of your day everyone!
BBL
Was WF afraid her social schedule would be too full if she has to be in court??
Don’t chat it up too much. I’ve got to get some cleaning/laundry done and want to be able to catch up later.
photos from today
http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/23472968/detail.html
Loved the shot of the ankle bracelets (shackles)!! hahahahahahah
Why are they asking AGAIN (new judge) that casey does not have to appear in court. this tells me she does NOT care about any of this.
raw video,i will slapp her!
http://www.wftv.com/video/23473636/index.html
molly,no does she can appeall later on!!!
Hello all,I watched it this morning. Poor Bozo,motions after motions and know it will be deined! Lord I hope Casey doesn’t get preggy,Cindy doesn’t need to be raising children at all!
He everyone! good to see you azrenee!
Judge perry sure knows what he’s doing. Baez needs to brush up on the JAC rules! hahahaha
Here is a case I’ve been following here in my state:
UPDATE: Man Found Guilty in Disturbing Child Abuse Case
UPDATE 5/05/10 @ 5:15 p.m.
CHARLESTON, W.Va. (WSAZ) — A jury found James Usher guilty of child abuse late Wednesday afternoon.
Usher and another woman, Della Jackson, duct-taped a two year old boy’s mouth and then taped his hands and ankles together.
Jackson and the mother of the little boy testified against Usher Wednesday.
He now faces one to five years in prison.
No sentencing date has been set just yet.
the biggest joke today,bozo want 2 cars!
mikka – I know! that’s why stricky ruled that she HAD to be there to begin with. Nothing has changed, perry feels the same way. it’s funny though that she DOESN’T WANT to be there to see what’s going on in her case. I think that says alot!
mikka – Denied!
were cindy & george even there? they did not pan the courtroom.
molly,
i wished bozo want 2 squrlls with the 2 cars! 
molly no only conway!!
mikka – they weren’t there! maybe they’re tired of waving & looking at her & she does not even acknowledge them!
yeah, baez want one car for squirrels & one for pizza tests!
but none would smell like the decomp
molly,i bet cma is pissed both was not there!or both on a cruise again!
Perry also not a big fan of the off camera thing which baez wants everything off camera!
I bet the Ant’s do this on purpose to punish her for not even looking at them! sounds like what cindy would do.
I am very curious if we will now eventually see exactly where this other 163,000.00 went to! Perry said he will be going over past & future expenses by dr. lee, baret, etc.
funny baez claimed all his experts had done work over the 60%, he prolly didn’t pay them yet & now can pay from the state!
molly normal bozo say,she works all for free,and now he want money,thats sick!
love what katie behlich say,the defense have her wings clipped!
WFTV-Channel 9 anchor Vanessa Echols noted that Chief Circuit Judge Belvin Perry Jr. had refused a defense request to have its financial records sealed.
“The defense is having its wings clipped, for sure, after flying through $340,000,” WFTV’s Kathi Belich reported. “The judge is clamping down now on defense spending.”
Belich noted that Perry rejected defense requests for a jury-selection consultant and for two forensic pathologists (the defense gets one instead). But Perry allowed the defense to keep Dr. Henry Lee and some other out-of-state experts.
WESH-Channel 2’s Jeff Lennox said the hearing was entering its fourth hour at noon. “So far, her attorney Jose Baez has talked about 17 different experts and how they are distributing all of your tax money and what they may need in the future,” Lennox said.
Anthony has been declared indigent, and public money will go to pay for expenses in her murder trial. She is charged with first-degree murder in the death of her daughter, Caylee.
WKMG-Channel 6 Louis Bolden said, “After today’s hearing, which is still going on, the public will have a right to know how much money is being spent.”
RAW INTERVIEW: Jose Baez Talks To WFTV After Budget Hearing
http://www.wftv.com/video/23475978/index.html
bbl
i love how Judge P keeps reminding us when CMA is charged GUILTY for 1st Degree Murder she will be there for life or DP!!!
REALITY CHECK 
cell phone expert???
Mikka love photo Number 1..
ss hahahahahhaahhahhahaahhahah mason had something on his left face,may somebody punched him!:lol: i am glad katie make bozo sh@@t up!
maze,i will slapp her so long,till she tell the truth!
how about the boob shot??think perry noticed?
I just got home so what all did bozo get??
maze i bet perry watch her closely,the biggest joke today cma dont want to be no more in the hearings
did she say that??
mason looked a little frustrated with bozo I watched a little bit of it hours ago, before I had to leave
maze mason looks like a beat up little dog! HAHAHHAHHHA
maze in the hearing today,mason told perry cma dont want to be there no more,it was DENIED from perry!
oh ic
maze ,of course mason try this,because when she is no more by the hearings,cma can later appeall over this!NOT this bs with perry!
here maze its about cma dont want to be there,
“It has been my experience that, in capital cases, that defendants need to be present during the preceding,” Judge Perry said. “If Ms. Anthony is found guilty of anything, it will lead to a post conviction relief proceedings, maybe … and it always gets back to ‘my lawyer didn’t tell me this’ and ‘if I would have been there I would have done A, B, C, D.’”
Judge Perry, however, did say Casey did not have to attend status hearings that simply check on the progress on the case, but don’t argue motions.
thanks mikka
maze see ya later!
Hi Everyone,
Maze,
Here are a few notes regarding what Baez got (was granted) today. If anyone has something different or to add, please chime in. Thanks!
1. Jeanene Barrett, Mitigation Specialist 384 est’d hrs. X $50./hr. (eff 7/1/2010 the JAC rate changes to $40/hr.) Cap ser at 300 hrs. for future interviews. When the 300 hrs. are exhausted, Baez must return to court to justify the need for more money. (Detailed time records must be submitted for past and future hrs). GRANTED
2. Defense Expert Witness – Forensic Entomologist from Nebraska (existing expert will continue) Agreed to JAC rates. GRANTED
3. Defense Expert Witness – Forensic Anthropologist agreed to JAC rates – GRANTED
4. Defense Expert Witness – Forensic Botanist from Colorado agreed to JAC rates – GRANTED
5. Defense Expert Witness – Forensic Pathologist (2) only one will testify at trial. Requesting pay for 2. Judge Perry will only pay for one (1). Agreed to JAC rates. GRANTED
6. Defense Expert Witness – Digital Forensic Expert from NC. Work well over 50% complete. Judge strongly suggested using video-conferencing to consult with experts. GRANTED
7. Defense Expert Witness – DNA Expert (NOT Dr. Koby) Defense has a group of ppl. in an organization reviewing this data but not able to id one (1) specific person at this time. Well over 60% of work completed. Judge Perry made it clear JAC is only paying for one (1)! – GRANTED subject to JAC regulations.
8. Defense Expert Witness – 2 Scientist/Chemist needed to refute Oakridge Lab analyst air testing procedures & findings. One in FL and one is not in FL. GRANTED
9. Defense Expert Witness – K9 Expert, Univ of AL to rebut the State’s dog handler’s opinion that the dog alerted on human decomp in Casey’s car. Analysis of dog; review dog training logs; dog error rates; K9 handler training & procedures, etc. GRANTED up to 20 hrs.
10. MISC – Public Records request. Example: Tips from OCSO. 1st set of disc costs approx $1,000 (mostly psychic tips) Est. of $5,000 based on his prior experience. JAC requires specificity in addition to other admin. Cost such as filing fees, subpoenas, etc. GRANTED Cap set at $3,500 at this time. Baez can request more money later, if necessary.
Note: Baez stated, for the record, all of the experts are willing to accept the JAC rates.
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Three key themes that seem to make Judge Perry happier from a budgetary perspective:
1) The work was 50% or more completed by the existing players
2) The defense team experts, consultants and investigators would all accept the JAC rate structure.
Judge Perry’s rulings on two JAC Budget related motions:
Motion to Seal All Justice Administration Commission Documents filed 05/04/2010 DENIED
Motion Amended Motion for Justice Administration Commission (JAC) Hearing & Motion for Approval of Out of State Mitigation Specialist & Expert Witnesses filed 5/4/2010 (see individual rulings shown in comment above @ 6 May 2010 at 13:37)
The Defense Team will discuss one Expert Witness and related funding required in an “in camera” session with Judge Perry.
More JAC Budget Hearing rulings – 05/06/2010
1. Defense – Trace Evidence Expert would be Dr. Henry Lee. If he is not available to do it, defense would like to hire someone else. DENIED without prejudice. Judge Perry wants to know why Dr. Lee can not do it.
2. Defense – “Taphonomy” (decomposition Expert) Baez told the State to Google it to find out what it is. Judge Perry said they will have a Roger’s Hearing for Baez to establish a two prone test regarding a Taphonomy expert. Baez will need to file a motion to request this hearing. TABLED
3. Defense – Cell Phone Expert. Seeking someone to perform this function. Baez has not taken the depo of the State’s cell ph witnesses. DENIED without prejudice. May be able to resubmit this request at another time.
4. Defense – Jury Consultant. Mr. Mason has the experience at picking a DP case. This is not a fundamental right under FL constitution.DENIED with prejudice. Judge Perry told Baez not to bring it up again. [Note: The State – Mr. Ashton & Mr. George will serve as Jury Consultants]
5. Baez wants to purchase of 2 Pontiac Cars for approx. $6,000 WTH?! (He must be kidding, right?) DENIED without prejudice. Baez can request a Roger’s hearing later.
6. Travel for Attys – Baez requested travel expenses be paid for Defense attys. Ruling – Attys Mason, Lyon, Baden will not be paid. DENIED. Travel for Lead Atty. Baez will be paid at JAC rate.
7. Defense argued that Casey has the right not to attend hearings. DENIED. Judge Perry will continue Casey’s mandatory requirement to attend all of her hearings excluding the Status Hearings (optional upon her request)
Taphonomy:
Taphonomy[note 1] is the study of decaying organisms over time and how they become fossilized (if they do). The term taphonomy, (from the Greek taphos – τάφος meaning burial, and nomos – νόμος meaning law), was introduced to paleontology in 1940 by Russian scientist, Ivan Efremov, to describe the study of the transition of remains, parts, or products of organisms, from the biosphere, to the lithosphere, i.e. the creation of fossil assemblages.[1][2]
Taphonomists study such phenomena as biostratinomy, decomposition, diagenesis, and encrustation and bioerosion by sclerobionts.[3] (Sclerobionts are organisms which dwell on hard substrates such as shells or rocks.)
One motivation behind the study of taphonomy is to better understand biases present in the fossil record. Fossils are ubiquitous in sedimentary rocks, yet paleontologists cannot draw the most accurate conclusions about the lives and ecology of the fossilized organisms without knowing about the processes involved in their fossilization. For example, if a fossil assemblage contains more of one type of fossil than another, one can either infer that that organism was present in greater numbers, or that its remains were more resistant to decomposition.
During the late twentieth century, taphonomic data began to be applied to other paleontological subfields such as paleobiology, paleoceanography, ichnology (the study of trace fossils) and biostratigraphy. By coming to understand the oceanographic and ethological implications of observed taphonomic patterns, paleontologists have been able to provide new and meaningful interpretations and correlations that would have otherwise remained obscure in the fossil record.
Archaeologists study taphonomic processes in order to determine how plant and animal (as well as human) remains accumulate and differentially preserve within archaeological sites. This is critical to determining whether these remains are associated with human activity. In addition, taphonomic processes may alter biological remains after they are deposited at a site. Some remains survive better than others over time, and can therefore bias an excavated collection.
Experimental taphonomy testing usually consists of exposing the remains of organisms to various altering processes, and then examining the effects of the exposure.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taphonomy
bbl
Smoke, thank you very much!
brb
You are welcome SS! And thank you for your contributions, too!
Judge Perry rocks!
BBL
What a day for Bozo. I think he ‘worked’ more today than in the past 2 years. didn’t see the Anthony crime family there…not even Lee to support his precious CMA! Wow what’s up with that? Where are ya Lee??
By the way, what in the world is a “cell phone expert”?
New Blogster
http://humbleopinionforum.net/2010/05/06/chit-chat-6may2010/#comment-61843
Hi friends! Personally my favorite of the day was Bozo wanting to be able to trash poor dogs and their handlers as not being reliable WHEN they have Georgie who was LE for years and told the Grand Jury that smell is one you know and can never forget (dead body) and then Sindy telling 911 operator “smells like a dead body in the damn car”!, oh, smell of decomp in the car and the death band on Caylee’s hair. In my mind…they could leave the dogs and their handlers alone, it isn’t going to matter,. The evidence, circumstantial or not is just monumental in my mind.