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54 Responses to Chit chat!!! 18, 19 and 20 June 2010
glen on 18 June 2010 at 05:26
congrats on your move humble…I hope everyone has a great weekend .
I my self have a new pariot and tring to get use to the sounds he makes and he is tring realy hard not to bit.LOLOLOL
lynda on 18 June 2010 at 06:15
Humble, good luck on your move to your new house. Hi glen
lynda on 18 June 2010 at 06:24
I love the countdown box above. What a great idea. Thanks Humble you’re the best
J.H. on 18 June 2010 at 08:34
HI EVERYONE HUMBLE MAY YOU HAVE MUCH JOY HEALTH AND HAPPINESS IN YOUR NEW HOME.MAY GOD BLESS YOU AND YOUR FAMILY AS YOU BRING MUCH JOY TO US HUMBLETTES WITH ALL YOU DO HUGS TO YOU.
Brad 'shopping cart' Conway on 18 June 2010 at 12:33
I think shirley will testify at trial. Just another of Casey innumerable victims. Stole from her own grandmother then promised to clean her house (?) and never even did that. Cannot WAIT to see Casey’s fugly face when Tony testifies.
chachi on 18 June 2010 at 13:28
lol! hey brad, how about when all cma’s friends are on the stand and they each say how cma told them her mother was crazy and she didn’t get along with her. Every single friend is going to say this!!! hahahahaha probably won’t get to see SINdy’s face but I’ll still be lmao!!!
smoke&mirrors on 18 June 2010 at 13:44
Casey’s Grandmom Shirley and Uncle Rick are on th Prosecution’s Witness List. They seem to be straight shooters. I just pray Shirley’s health holds up.
Cindy had such a teflon wall built around Casey that she wouldn’t even talk with Shirley about Casey’s behavior. Of course, when it came to Casey gaining access to her Grandpa Alex’s Nursing Home account that’s when the chit hit the fan! Makes me wonder if that’s why the 9 June 2008 stuck in Cindy’s head as the last time she saw Caylee. Shirley also thought that was the correct date.
Ok, Cindy was wrong about that being the last date she saw Caylee alive, but maybe that date was more memorable because it was the weekend of the BIG FIGHT! Cindy went to her Mom’s in Mt. Dora and spent the night on 7 June 2008. She prolly did that in an attempt to calm Shirley down and to get that $354 back into her Dad’s account. (needed a deposit slip from Shirley maybe?)
Then Cindy waited until 9 June 2008 to confront Casey. This was the night Casey showed up at Ricardo’s apt. at 11 p.m. with Caylee. And the next day 10 June 2008 Casey and Caylee went to Tony’s apt. They were also there on 11 June 2008 during the day. I think Casey found somebody or different ppl. to watch Caylee at night until Friday. George had Friday’s & Saturday’s off from his job. So, Casey went “okedoky!” She dropped Caylee off and went clubing with Tony at Fusion (Hip Hop Showcase) 13 June 2008.
Casey was at home Saturday night, but refused to go to Mt. Dora with Cindy Sunday morning. Instead, it appears Casey beat Cindy out the door and ran straight to Tony L’s for the day. Only to return home around 7:30 p.m. Sunday night.
So when Cindy got confused about the date (9 June 2008) Casey just decided to go with it to make Cindy “look like an a$$ on the thing!”
_______________________edited by me
Of course, these comments are my opinion based on bits and piece of what we know from the discovery docs.
smoke&mirrors on 18 June 2010 at 13:47
Hi chachi, good to see ya!
Would love to stay an chat but must leave. Hope to drop back by later.
The dates and information you referenced in your post are new to me. I didn’t know that there was the confrontation about the stolen money from the grandfather on June 7, and that Cindy stayed over at Shirley’s house that night. I think I had better go back and review some of the old documentation to get myself back up to speed. I also don’t remember that Casey went with Caylee on June 9 to Ricardo’s apt. at 11 p.m.. Boy, my brain is melting from the overload of information. I thought the big fight was on June 15, and then Casey left in a rage with Caylee. That is why I have always thought of 15 June as the date of the murder. I always believed Casey murdered Caylee while she was still in her rage mode at her mother. Also, while reading around the blogs during these quiet days, someone, somewhere mentioned Lee’s statement to Casey in the beginning as something to the effect of “is this like the last time”. Like what?? Did she pull the running off in a rage with Caylee and disappearing for a time before all this happened? Wonder if Lee ever had to explain that to LE. This is one of the quietest times on the blogs since the beginning of this saga. Usually something happens when it is so quiet. I see the A’s are still scheduled for June 23, regarding the motion to strike the motion for a jury trial for the foreclosure. I still don’t understand that. Is that normal to have a jury trial for a foreclosure? Anybody know? Wonder how on earth they can afford to hire a foreclosure attorney, Mr. Lippman, when they can’t even pay that measly sum of $785 a month on their mortgage. Or, is this just another pro bono, celebrity seeking attorney. Does anyone know if Brad Conway gets paid for the numerous hours he spends with the Anthony’s. Anyway, while it is so quiet, I am going to spend some time this weekend reviewing some of the old information, especially Lee’s question to Casey.
chachi on 18 June 2010 at 16:04
thanks smoke…just had a moment to check in.
nannab on 18 June 2010 at 16:29
I thought the same Muesli…. when did it all change?
smoke&mirrors on 18 June 2010 at 17:44
muesli,
When I put together that scenario earlier, it was based on tidbits of information found in several different places in the discovery doc. There is simply too much information to commit it to memory. That is why I have been maintaining the Timeline of events for almost 2 yrs. now.
When I just re-read my comment, it reinforced my point about me not being able to rely on memory. After checking the notes in the timeline, I realized Casey was home Saturday night and left to go to Tony’s Sunday morning. Here is the link to the June 1 – 15, 2008 Timeline:
I don’t know that anything changed. We know the last time there is proof that Caylee was alive was on 15 June 2008 FATHER’S DAY. What we can not be positive about is when the BIG FIGHT happened because the neighbor could not pinpoint the date.
Additionally, the cell phone ping data does not support the theory that Casey left the house the night of 15 June 2008. She was on the phone texting and talking to Tony up until 3 a.m’ish.
Handwritten [discovery doc 1289]
Or
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smoke&mirrors on 18 June 2010 at 18:10
chachi,
YW.
The other odd thing about the 9 June 2008 date in addition to it being the WRONG Date was it appeared on each of the Ant’s sworn statements. I apologize, I do not have time to go back to find links to them right now, but here are a few notes:
TUE, July 15, 2008
10:11 p.m. – OCSO took Cindy’s written statement.
10:16 p.m. – OCSO took George Anthony’s written sworn statement. [discovery doc pp. 36 – 37] Note: No mention of what Caylee was wearing when he last saw her.
After 11:00 but before 12 midnight – OCSO took Lee’s written statement. [Note: Will have to check the statement to see the actual time]
WED, July 16, 2008
01:05 a.m. – LE Interviewed Casey and took her 4-page written statement of the events detailing when Caylee Marie Anthony (2 yr. old) went missing on 6/9/08. [LIE] Actually, Caylee was last seen on 6/15/08. [discovery doc pp. 28 – 31] What Casey says Caylee was wearing………..
_____________________________________________
In Cindy’s Depo by The Prosecution 28 July 2009 she said the ‘date’ was not her handwriting. It was already on the form when she filled it out. I suspect what happened was LE interviewed her first and Cindy (like Lee said) kept harping on 9 June 2008 as the last time she saw Caylee because that was the end of her B-Day/Vacation week.
So, in the interest of time and the header information was filled in by an officer. The Ants just needed to use the free-form area to write their statements. Does that make sense?
smoke&mirrors on 18 June 2010 at 18:28
Hi Debwv,
Thanks for the update on Kyron. It was pretty obvious that the Stepmom was not being honest about what happened. Leave it to the good ol’ cell phone pings and F/B comments to nail these bad moms!
debwv on 18 June 2010 at 18:51
I’m reading on other blogs. That Kryon body has been found and the step mom has been arrested.But I can’t seem to find out if this is true.I wish people wouldn’t blog without getting the facts first.This truly breaks my heart.
smoke&mirrors on 18 June 2010 at 19:01
debwv,
I just checked for updates. Did not find any stating Kyron had been found. You are so right.
These situations involving missing/endangered/abuse and murdered children are truly heart-breaking.
BBL
Halfspot on 19 June 2010 at 00:16
Hi Humble, Welcome to your New Home and may it be filled up with Music, Love,and Laughter of Family and Old friends and may there be many New friends!! For that is what makes a house a Home! May your Home overflow with Merry Memorys!! Welcome all that Enter, with a Happy Heart and may God Bless your Home and Keep you all save!!Hugs and lots of Love!! Welcome Home my friend!!
Halfspot on 19 June 2010 at 00:22
Almost forgot,Humble Good Luck and May the always smile above your Home!!
Halfspot on 19 June 2010 at 00:39
Hi all, Did not forget my other Dear peeps, hope this finds everyone Happy and in good Health!! As for this poor little boy Kyron, so far whats going around the blogs about him being found is not true!! I had to do alot of jumping around to find that. He has not been found at the time that I;m writing this, don’t know if thats good news or not, It’s good if he is still alive! That would be such good news I just don’t see it? To me there is some thing not right about his step mom just does not feel right!! Not with the step moms cell phone, the cell phones do not lie!! Think someone needs to tell Cindy about the cell phone, don’t think she gets that, about Casey and all those mistruths!! I’m so glad that the dumb people that hurt kids are too dumb, not have the cell phones off or not on them. Because if not for that, they may get away with it and keep taking these poor little kids lifes!!
Halfspot on 19 June 2010 at 00:45
I say, Stop you of the world that keep hurting the little kids of this world of ours!! STOP!! Well now I must go and try to get some sleep I’ve only got about 3 or 4 hrs of sleep last night!! Please someone send some sleep my way!! Night all good peeps, you all are the best!! Hope everyone has a Good and Happy Day!! Be back soon!!
Good morning all. Wow. Smoke&Mirrors has left me a lot of homework. Thanks smoke for all the links. I’m forgetting and mixing up facts, so today will be a good time to review some of the links you posted. Also, reading and listening to things from 2 years ago, and comparing what we do know today, will be very interesting. I’m sure I’ll be able to read a lot more into the earlier information, and be able to more easily recognize the inconsistencies from all those involved. I am so lucky to have the entire day free. Shopping is done, house is clean, no committments–just a day for myself. Also, it is too hot to go outside, so it will be better to sit in this cool environment, in front of my laptop. After I read the Orlando papers, I will get on those links from Smoke, and really concentrate on everything June 2008. But, first, more coffee.
Hi smoke. I’m spending my computer time this weekend just reading, and refreshing my memory. Thanks again for all the links. By the way, I had seen that post a long time ago somewhere. Who left the door opened?
smoke&mirrors on 19 June 2010 at 09:54
muesli, don’t know who left the door open but you assigned me to standby to watch for the teacher, remember?!
I’ve seen that post on several blogs, as well.
I was just updating the list of ppl. we know about who baby-sat Caylee. Free of charge, I might add. In Cindy’s Depo by Prosecution on 28 July she gave us two more names. All of them are listed in the Who’s Who Listings, but I don’t expect anyone to know exactly what category they appear in, so I rounded them up for you.
The Real Baby-sitters for Caylee Marie Anthony:
Lauren Gibbs – (formerly known as Lauren Cobb) babysat Caylee the 1st eight mos. for NO PAY. She learned that Casey had lied to her about working at the Sports Authority. At first, she thought Jesse G. was Caylee’s father. Later, Casey told her Caylee’s father was in the Army and that he died in 2007 from a car accident.
Jesse Aaron Grund – (aka: SpecialAgentJAG4) Casey’s ex-fiancé. He met Casey at Universal Studios in Jan 2005 at which time Jesse held a position in Security. When Caylee was born, Jesse took a paternity test and learned he was not her biological father. Engagement Period: 12/31/05 – 5/28/06. In the October – November 2007 timeframe, Jesse and Casey attempted dating again, but it didn’t work out. On 6/24/08 Jesse resigned from the OPD.
Rev. Richard Grund & Mrs. Deborah Grund – Jesse Grund’s parents. Jesse & his parents babysat Caylee. In Apr. 2006 Mr. Grund told Casey to find a regular baby-sitter. Casey immediately informed him that she had one and her name was Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzales.
Holly Ann Gagne – friend of the Anthony family who babysat Caylee for approx. 1 year. On 7/29/08 Gagne appeared on the Nancy Grace Show and stated the Casey she knew was a “good mother.” Director, Caylee Anthony Foundation effective 3/1/09 – 9/10/09. Arrested and charged with Aggravated Battery with a Deadly Weapon (baseball bat) – 2nd Degree Felony and Criminal Mischief – 2nd Degree Misdemeanor on 9/10/09.
Kristina Marie Chester – Casey’s classmate and friend who babysat Caylee on occasion. Casey babysat her children, also. She last saw Caylee with Casey on 6/12/08 at Lake Underhill Park.
Adam Lynch – Dated Casey for a brief period of time starting March 2005. He also baby-sat Caylee. Lived in an apartment near UCF, per Cindy. [Cindy’s Depo by Prosection – 7/28/09] According to Richard Grund, Adam is an ex-cop. George really liked this guy!
Justin Pasmore – Friend of Lee’s who baby-sat Caylee one time. [Cindy’s Depo by Prosection – 7/28/09]
gigwails on 19 June 2010 at 17:26
Hi folks! Hope everybody is having a great weekend. Cindy made a statement to the effect of….”I think Zanny represents whoever is watching Caylee at the time.” Really Cindy? Well, Caylee was last seen with Casey….so is Casey Zanny? Who watched Caylee more than Cindy and George…does that make them Zanny? To me, this was a clever way (or so she thought) for Cindy to point the finger and throw multiple people under the bus…anything to divert suspicion away from Casey.
debwv on 19 June 2010 at 19:07
This shows Casey didn’t want to be bother with Caylee.Either there was a real babysitter or Zanny(drugs) watched Caylee,while Casey was living it up!Poor Caylee,she deserved better,and now she has to wait for justice.I can’t see how the A’s act the way they do.This was their only grandchild.I so hope Lee doesn’t bring another Anthony into this whold.For we know it Cindy would have her hands all over the child!Cindy is a very controlling woman.Just look at how Casey & Lee turned out.
more details of the Sandra Cantu Murder…oh, and the reason Melissa had to have the molestation charges dropped is because if she plead guilty to that, she wouldn’t be able to have visits with her own daughter. http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_15334742
lynda on 20 June 2010 at 04:26
Goodmorning, leaving for work, but just wanted to say that if cindy was so sure that Zanny exsisted and was a real person, how could she make that statement that Zanny represented anyone who was watching Caylee at the time. It blows the Zanny theory right out the window and paints cindy as the liar she is. I remember her making that statement and I knew then that she was covering up for cma. If I caught it, I’m sure that the SA caught it. There goes the Zanny theory. All the Dads who might be a lurkin, have a great Fathers Day. Justice for Caylee. Thanks Humble for keeping it real
Suzie Jane on 20 June 2010 at 09:13
Thanks for the Cantu update Chachi.
Reading it makes me sick. The rolling pin found in the kitchen drawer at the church was used to roll out the unleavened bread for the Lord’s supper.
Huckaby didn’t even wash the thing when she was done with it if they found “reddish brown stains” on it matching Sandra’s DNA. Just put it back in the drawer and watch someone use it on the dough next time.
Seattle: Kyron Horman’s uncle arrested in child molestation; 2nd polygraph for stepmom (Video)
June 19, 1:28 PM Seattle Headlines Examiner Isabelle Zehnder
June 19, 2010 – According to news reports, police are focusing on Kyron Horman’s step-mother, who is scheduled for a second polygraph test and who has recently been featured on a new flyer distributed to all parents and students attending Kyron’s elementary school; they are also focusing on Kyron’s uncle who was arrested Wednesday on unrelated child molestation charges in Everett, Wash.
Kyron is the 7-year-old boy who went missing from his Portland elementary school June 4. more>>>
Names in the Casey Anthony saga that were candidates for Caylee’s Bio-Dad:
Jesse Aaron Grund –When Caylee was born, Jesse took a paternity test. Result: Jesse is not Caylee’s Bio-Dad.
Lee Alexander Anthony – a subpoena was issued to force him to take a paternity test. Result: Lee is not Caylee’s Bio-Dad.
JP Chatt – the resemblance between this guy and Caylee in a side-by-side photo that has been circulating in ‘Blogdom’ for the past two years has fueled speculation that he may be Caylee’s father. There is no proof in the discovery docs to support this rumor.
Brandon Roghelia – 20 y/o died in a vehicle accident on 2/15/05. Ricardo M. claims Casey told him Brandon was Caylee’s father. Rumor is unfounded.
Jesus E. Marquez Ortiz – [died: 5/8/2007 in a car crash] Rumors that he was Caylee’s father are unfounded.
Josh M. O’barr – [died: 7/10/2006] 23 y/o. surfer committed suicide off Cocoa Beach, FL He had back surgery in 2004. Rumors that he was Caylee’s father are unfounded.
Eric F Baker – [died 5/4/2007] 18 y/o. He was a passenger who was killed in a car crash at the intersection of KY 9 & US 68 Maysville, KY. There is no evidence that he was Caylee’s father.
Eric James Baker – [died: 8/11/2007] Casey told some friends that he died in a motor cycle accident on his way to Caylee’s birthday party. Rumors that he was Caylee’s father are unfounded.
Eric – Died in a car crash and was buried in KY. Prior to his death, Eric set up a Trust Fund for Caylee. Cindy has Power of Attorney over the “Trust Fund” in the event something happens to Casey. His parents moved to Italy. [Casey Fantasy Creation]
Brandon [Last name unknown] – Lived in TN. Casey told Ricardo M. she met Brandon when he was in Orlando, FL on vacation for Thanksgiving 2004. He was a friend of her brorher, Lee. Casey said he did not want anything to do with the baby. Casey said, he died in a car crash just a few days before Caylee’s 2nd birthday in 2007. He ran off the road and he hit a tree. [Casey Fantasy Creation]
Josh [Last name unknown] – he was a one-night stand who Casey met at Universal. She told BFF Melina, Josh was Caylee’s father and that he was from GA. He had a girlfriend who he planned to marry and they had children together already. Casey claimed Josh died shortly after Caylee’s B-day in August 2007. [Casey Fantasy Creation]
debwv on 20 June 2010 at 18:19
Casey doesn’t know who Caylee Bio-Father is.She sleeps with every guy she meets.This could be all of Orlando,Fl. I hope all the guys she slept with has had the test done.
Suzie Jane on 20 June 2010 at 18:27
Thanks for that sperm donor list Smoke! Wow, 8 out of 11 are dead. Three Erics, two Brandons, two Josh……
That’s a lot of unclaimed social security checks and child support. And then there’s the trust fund set up for Caylee in case something happens to WF. Guess what – something might be about to happen……
Looks like our boy JP is still the best living breathing possibility for Caylee’s daddy.
Oh will we ever know?
Halfspot on 20 June 2010 at 20:12
Hi, so nice to be able to sit down and see what alls been going on. Looks to me like that Casey does not know who the Dad is? So you all know, we will never know!! That’s bad when you don’t know who the father of your child is!? With this being said the next thing Cindy will be saying is, Casey wanted a child so bad she went to a sperm bank!!! No wait I think she was the sperm bank! Wait, I have a better one Cindy could say that Casey being a virgin that God just gave her this child!! I’m sure Cindy has a good reason that the Dad has not been named just ask her!! As for all the guys out there that had anything to do with Casey and did not use a rain coat, don’t think they should worry about if they are the Dad of Caylee with her not being alive anymore because of her so called Mom the thats what Casey is not a mother!! However I do think all of these guys that had been with Casey should run not walk to the nearest clinic and get every test done that they have or could every test them for!! This must have been Caseys thinking, To MANY MEN NOT ENOUGH TIME!!
Halfspot on 20 June 2010 at 20:24
Looks like with all Casey’s Fantasy Creation boy friends,being gone that they must have had a death wish for all of them to be dead also!! Or did she just kill them off?
Halfspot on 20 June 2010 at 20:31
Next thing the dumb Ant.family will be saying is that the father is some where between “George Clooney and Brad Pitt”? and Juliett Lewis was the mid- wife!! Just ask Cindy!!
Halfspot on 20 June 2010 at 20:44
My Hubby says that all guys, that have been with Casey better get tested for stupid!! It maybe catching?
Halfspot on 20 June 2010 at 20:56
I now know what is wrong with the Ant. family! Stupid is, as stupid does!! That right there, should be their family motto!! and here’s their sign, STUPID ANT.FAMILY LIVE HERE!!
Halfspot on 20 June 2010 at 21:00
BOA. may want them to take their sign and move on down the road!
Halfspot on 20 June 2010 at 21:07
Now that I’ve had fun NOT talking to myself, I’m going to bed. Will be back if I can’t sleep!! Tell then good night all and as always this is my 2 home it is the best blog around with all the best peeps ever!! Thanks for everything you do Humble!!
lynda on 21 June 2010 at 03:11
Goodmorning everyone, Happy Summer to all.
Justice for Caylee. Off to work, have a great blogging day.
lynda on 21 June 2010 at 03:26
Before I leave just one word one Smokes list, why are there so many young men dead. That’s some list of fatalities. My kids are all young aduts and between the 4 of them I could never complile a list like that in our towm. Wow. Thanks Smoke.
Good morning everyone. Didn’t get through my reading of Smoke&Mirrors links from Friday. Too many interruptions and changes of plans. Hopefully will do it today. Does anyone know if the status hearing will be televised today? It is scheduled for 1:30 in courtroom 23a. We all know that Casey doesn’t have to be there. Wonder if G&C will think it important enough. Boy, if all those guys who were supposedly associated with Casey all died in accidents, I would think all the ones still alive would be hiding and shaking in their boots. Plus, anyone of them who had sex with her 9 months before Caylee’s birth must also be in hiding. I would hope that LE would be able to pinpoint who she was associating with during that time. I’m sure her ex-friends would have known what she was up to during that time period. Some people are saying it is not important who Caylee’s father is. It is my humble opinion that everything in this case leading up to Caylee’s murder is important.
9:45 am 15 min Case: 48-2010-CA-4872-O- Motion: M/STRIKE DEMAND FOR JURY TRIAL
BANK OF AMERICA
ELIZABETH ECKHART* vs. CYNTHIA AND GEORGE ANTHONY
MARK LIPPMAN
Does anyone understand what this is about. I don’t get the idea of a jury trial for a foreclosure issue. If the motion is to strike a demand for a jury trial, does that mean that the Anthonys has requested a jury trial for fighting their foreclosure? Is this normal procedure in a foreclosure?
congrats on your move humble…I hope everyone has a great weekend .
I my self have a new pariot and tring to get use to the sounds he makes and he is tring realy hard not to bit.LOLOLOL
Humble, good luck on your move to your new house. Hi glen
I love the countdown box above. What a great idea. Thanks Humble you’re the best
HI EVERYONE HUMBLE MAY YOU HAVE MUCH JOY HEALTH AND HAPPINESS IN YOUR NEW HOME.MAY GOD BLESS YOU AND YOUR FAMILY AS YOU BRING MUCH JOY TO US HUMBLETTES WITH ALL YOU DO HUGS TO YOU.
Best Wishes in your new home humble!!
Where is your new home?
Will SINdy’s mom testify in the trial?
I think shirley will testify at trial. Just another of Casey innumerable victims. Stole from her own grandmother then promised to clean her house (?) and never even did that. Cannot WAIT to see Casey’s fugly face when Tony testifies.
lol! hey brad, how about when all cma’s friends are on the stand and they each say how cma told them her mother was crazy and she didn’t get along with her. Every single friend is going to say this!!! hahahahaha probably won’t get to see SINdy’s face but I’ll still be lmao!!!
Casey’s Grandmom Shirley and Uncle Rick are on th Prosecution’s Witness List. They seem to be straight shooters. I just pray Shirley’s health holds up.
Cindy had such a teflon wall built around Casey that she wouldn’t even talk with Shirley about Casey’s behavior. Of course, when it came to Casey gaining access to her Grandpa Alex’s Nursing Home account that’s when the chit hit the fan! Makes me wonder if that’s why the 9 June 2008 stuck in Cindy’s head as the last time she saw Caylee. Shirley also thought that was the correct date.
Ok, Cindy was wrong about that being the last date she saw Caylee alive, but maybe that date was more memorable because it was the weekend of the BIG FIGHT! Cindy went to her Mom’s in Mt. Dora and spent the night on 7 June 2008. She prolly did that in an attempt to calm Shirley down and to get that $354 back into her Dad’s account. (needed a deposit slip from Shirley maybe?)
Then Cindy waited until 9 June 2008 to confront Casey. This was the night Casey showed up at Ricardo’s apt. at 11 p.m. with Caylee. And the next day 10 June 2008 Casey and Caylee went to Tony’s apt. They were also there on 11 June 2008 during the day. I think Casey found somebody or different ppl. to watch Caylee at night until Friday. George had Friday’s & Saturday’s off from his job. So, Casey went “okedoky!” She dropped Caylee off and went clubing with Tony at Fusion (Hip Hop Showcase) 13 June 2008.
Casey was at home Saturday night, but refused to go to Mt. Dora with Cindy Sunday morning. Instead, it appears Casey beat Cindy out the door and ran straight to Tony L’s for the day. Only to return home around 7:30 p.m. Sunday night.
So when Cindy got confused about the date (9 June 2008) Casey just decided to go with it to make Cindy “look like an a$$ on the thing!”
_______________________edited by me
Of course, these comments are my opinion based on bits and piece of what we know from the discovery docs.
Hi chachi, good to see ya!
Would love to stay an chat but must leave. Hope to drop back by later.
BBL
Hi Smoke (for when you get back),
The dates and information you referenced in your post are new to me. I didn’t know that there was the confrontation about the stolen money from the grandfather on June 7, and that Cindy stayed over at Shirley’s house that night. I think I had better go back and review some of the old documentation to get myself back up to speed. I also don’t remember that Casey went with Caylee on June 9 to Ricardo’s apt. at 11 p.m.. Boy, my brain is melting from the overload of information. I thought the big fight was on June 15, and then Casey left in a rage with Caylee. That is why I have always thought of 15 June as the date of the murder. I always believed Casey murdered Caylee while she was still in her rage mode at her mother. Also, while reading around the blogs during these quiet days, someone, somewhere mentioned Lee’s statement to Casey in the beginning as something to the effect of “is this like the last time”. Like what?? Did she pull the running off in a rage with Caylee and disappearing for a time before all this happened? Wonder if Lee ever had to explain that to LE. This is one of the quietest times on the blogs since the beginning of this saga. Usually something happens when it is so quiet. I see the A’s are still scheduled for June 23, regarding the motion to strike the motion for a jury trial for the foreclosure. I still don’t understand that. Is that normal to have a jury trial for a foreclosure? Anybody know? Wonder how on earth they can afford to hire a foreclosure attorney, Mr. Lippman, when they can’t even pay that measly sum of $785 a month on their mortgage. Or, is this just another pro bono, celebrity seeking attorney. Does anyone know if Brad Conway gets paid for the numerous hours he spends with the Anthony’s. Anyway, while it is so quiet, I am going to spend some time this weekend reviewing some of the old information, especially Lee’s question to Casey.
thanks smoke…just had a moment to check in.
I thought the same Muesli…. when did it all change?
muesli,
When I put together that scenario earlier, it was based on tidbits of information found in several different places in the discovery doc. There is simply too much information to commit it to memory. That is why I have been maintaining the Timeline of events for almost 2 yrs. now.
When I just re-read my comment, it reinforced my point about me not being able to rely on memory. After checking the notes in the timeline, I realized Casey was home Saturday night and left to go to Tony’s Sunday morning. Here is the link to the June 1 – 15, 2008 Timeline:
http://humbleopinionforum.net/cma-timeline-june-1-15-2008/
nannab,
I don’t know that anything changed. We know the last time there is proof that Caylee was alive was on 15 June 2008 FATHER’S DAY. What we can not be positive about is when the BIG FIGHT happened because the neighbor could not pinpoint the date.
Additionally, the cell phone ping data does not support the theory that Casey left the house the night of 15 June 2008. She was on the phone texting and talking to Tony up until 3 a.m’ish.
Update on Kryon Horman
http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/6108362-updates-on-kyron-hormons-disappearance-from-his-school-in-oregon
Here is a link to Cindy’s Depo by Morgan & Morgan 9 April 2009
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/7141735/Casey-Anthony-Cindy-Anthony-deposition-released-12-june-2009
On page 99 Cindy talks about 7 June 2008.
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Ricardo Morales Interview w/LE
http://humbleopinion.net76.net/interviews/ricardo%20morales.pdf
Ricardo talks about 7 June 2008
Handwritten [discovery doc 1289]
Or
Page 10 [type in # on the menu bar]
chachi,
YW.
The other odd thing about the 9 June 2008 date in addition to it being the WRONG Date was it appeared on each of the Ant’s sworn statements. I apologize, I do not have time to go back to find links to them right now, but here are a few notes:
TUE, July 15, 2008
10:11 p.m. – OCSO took Cindy’s written statement.
10:16 p.m. – OCSO took George Anthony’s written sworn statement. [discovery doc pp. 36 – 37] Note: No mention of what Caylee was wearing when he last saw her.
After 11:00 but before 12 midnight – OCSO took Lee’s written statement. [Note: Will have to check the statement to see the actual time]
WED, July 16, 2008
01:05 a.m. – LE Interviewed Casey and took her 4-page written statement of the events detailing when Caylee Marie Anthony (2 yr. old) went missing on 6/9/08. [LIE] Actually, Caylee was last seen on 6/15/08. [discovery doc pp. 28 – 31] What Casey says Caylee was wearing………..
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In Cindy’s Depo by The Prosecution 28 July 2009 she said the ‘date’ was not her handwriting. It was already on the form when she filled it out. I suspect what happened was LE interviewed her first and Cindy (like Lee said) kept harping on 9 June 2008 as the last time she saw Caylee because that was the end of her B-Day/Vacation week.
So, in the interest of time and the header information was filled in by an officer. The Ants just needed to use the free-form area to write their statements. Does that make sense?
Hi Debwv,
Thanks for the update on Kyron. It was pretty obvious that the Stepmom was not being honest about what happened. Leave it to the good ol’ cell phone pings and F/B comments to nail these bad moms!
I’m reading on other blogs. That Kryon body has been found and the step mom has been arrested.But I can’t seem to find out if this is true.I wish people wouldn’t blog without getting the facts first.This truly breaks my heart.
debwv,
I just checked for updates. Did not find any stating Kyron had been found. You are so right.
These situations involving missing/endangered/abuse and murdered children are truly heart-breaking.
BBL
Hi Humble, Welcome to your New Home and may it be filled up with Music, Love,and Laughter of Family and Old friends and may there be many New friends!! For that is what makes a house a Home! May your Home overflow with Merry Memorys!! Welcome all that Enter, with a Happy Heart and may God Bless your Home and Keep you all save!!Hugs and lots of Love!! Welcome Home my friend!!
Almost forgot,Humble Good Luck and May the
always smile above your Home!!
Hi all, Did not forget my other Dear peeps, hope this finds everyone Happy and in good Health!! As for this poor little boy Kyron, so far whats going around the blogs about him being found is not true!! I had to do alot of jumping around to find that. He has not been found at the time that I;m writing this, don’t know if thats good news or not, It’s good if he is still alive! That would be such good news I just don’t see it? To me there is some thing not right about his step mom just does not feel right!! Not with the step moms cell phone, the cell phones do not lie!! Think someone needs to tell Cindy about the cell phone, don’t think she gets that, about Casey and all those mistruths!! I’m so glad that the dumb people that hurt kids are too dumb, not have the cell phones off or not on them. Because if not for that, they may get away with it and keep taking these poor little kids lifes!!
I say, Stop you
of the world that keep hurting the little kids of this world of ours!! STOP!! Well now I must go and try to get some sleep I’ve only got about 3 or 4 hrs of sleep last night!! Please someone send some sleep my way!!
Night all good peeps, you all are the best!! Hope everyone has a Good and Happy Day!! Be back soon!!
Good morning all. Wow. Smoke&Mirrors has left me a lot of homework. Thanks smoke for all the links. I’m forgetting and mixing up facts, so today will be a good time to review some of the links you posted. Also, reading and listening to things from 2 years ago, and comparing what we do know today, will be very interesting. I’m sure I’ll be able to read a lot more into the earlier information, and be able to more easily recognize the inconsistencies from all those involved. I am so lucky to have the entire day free. Shopping is done, house is clean, no committments–just a day for myself. Also, it is too hot to go outside, so it will be better to sit in this cool environment, in front of my laptop. After I read the Orlando papers, I will get on those links from Smoke, and really concentrate on everything June 2008. But, first, more coffee.
I see..Thank you smoke. It’s cold here..
Any relation to Jim Jones. Kool Aid anyone?
Hi muesli,
No Kool Aid for me. I prefer SPAM!
Hi smoke. I’m spending my computer time this weekend just reading, and refreshing my memory. Thanks again for all the links. By the way, I had seen that post a long time ago somewhere. Who left the door opened?
I’ve seen that post on several blogs, as well.
I was just updating the list of ppl. we know about who baby-sat Caylee. Free of charge, I might add. In Cindy’s Depo by Prosecution on 28 July she gave us two more names. All of them are listed in the Who’s Who Listings, but I don’t expect anyone to know exactly what category they appear in, so I rounded them up for you.
The Real Baby-sitters for Caylee Marie Anthony:
Lauren Gibbs – (formerly known as Lauren Cobb) babysat Caylee the 1st eight mos. for NO PAY. She learned that Casey had lied to her about working at the Sports Authority. At first, she thought Jesse G. was Caylee’s father. Later, Casey told her Caylee’s father was in the Army and that he died in 2007 from a car accident.
Jesse Aaron Grund – (aka: SpecialAgentJAG4) Casey’s ex-fiancé. He met Casey at Universal Studios in Jan 2005 at which time Jesse held a position in Security. When Caylee was born, Jesse took a paternity test and learned he was not her biological father. Engagement Period: 12/31/05 – 5/28/06. In the October – November 2007 timeframe, Jesse and Casey attempted dating again, but it didn’t work out. On 6/24/08 Jesse resigned from the OPD.
Rev. Richard Grund & Mrs. Deborah Grund – Jesse Grund’s parents. Jesse & his parents babysat Caylee. In Apr. 2006 Mr. Grund told Casey to find a regular baby-sitter. Casey immediately informed him that she had one and her name was Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzales.
Holly Ann Gagne – friend of the Anthony family who babysat Caylee for approx. 1 year. On 7/29/08 Gagne appeared on the Nancy Grace Show and stated the Casey she knew was a “good mother.” Director, Caylee Anthony Foundation effective 3/1/09 – 9/10/09. Arrested and charged with Aggravated Battery with a Deadly Weapon (baseball bat) – 2nd Degree Felony and Criminal Mischief – 2nd Degree Misdemeanor on 9/10/09.
Kristina Marie Chester – Casey’s classmate and friend who babysat Caylee on occasion. Casey babysat her children, also. She last saw Caylee with Casey on 6/12/08 at Lake Underhill Park.
Adam Lynch – Dated Casey for a brief period of time starting March 2005. He also baby-sat Caylee. Lived in an apartment near UCF, per Cindy. [Cindy’s Depo by Prosection – 7/28/09] According to Richard Grund, Adam is an ex-cop. George really liked this guy!
Justin Pasmore – Friend of Lee’s who baby-sat Caylee one time. [Cindy’s Depo by Prosection – 7/28/09]
Hi folks! Hope everybody is having a great weekend. Cindy made a statement to the effect of….”I think Zanny represents whoever is watching Caylee at the time.” Really Cindy? Well, Caylee was last seen with Casey….so is Casey Zanny? Who watched Caylee more than Cindy and George…does that make them Zanny? To me, this was a clever way (or so she thought) for Cindy to point the finger and throw multiple people under the bus…anything to divert suspicion away from Casey.
This shows Casey didn’t want to be bother with Caylee.Either there was a real babysitter or Zanny(drugs) watched Caylee,while Casey was living it up!Poor Caylee,she deserved better,and now she has to wait for justice.I can’t see how the A’s act the way they do.This was their only grandchild.I so hope Lee doesn’t bring another Anthony into this whold.For we know it Cindy would have her hands all over the child!Cindy is a very controlling woman.Just look at how Casey & Lee turned out.
update on Kryon Horman:
http://www.seattlepi.com/local/422054_missing19.html
more details of the Sandra Cantu Murder…oh, and the reason Melissa had to have the molestation charges dropped is because if she plead guilty to that, she wouldn’t be able to have visits with her own daughter.
http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_15334742
Goodmorning, leaving for work, but just wanted to say that if cindy was so sure that Zanny exsisted and was a real person, how could she make that statement that Zanny represented anyone who was watching Caylee at the time. It blows the Zanny theory right out the window and paints cindy as the liar she is. I remember her making that statement and I knew then that she was covering up for cma. If I caught it, I’m sure that the SA caught it. There goes the Zanny theory. All the Dads who might be a lurkin, have a great Fathers Day. Justice for Caylee. Thanks Humble for keeping it real
Thanks for the Cantu update Chachi.
Reading it makes me sick. The rolling pin found in the kitchen drawer at the church was used to roll out the unleavened bread for the Lord’s supper.
Huckaby didn’t even wash the thing when she was done with it if they found “reddish brown stains” on it matching Sandra’s DNA. Just put it back in the drawer and watch someone use it on the dough next time.
WTF is wrong with these people? OMG
Happy Daddy Day to any lurking daddys.
http://news.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978315081
Seattle: Kyron Horman’s uncle arrested in child molestation; 2nd polygraph for stepmom (Video)
June 19, 1:28 PM Seattle Headlines Examiner Isabelle Zehnder
June 19, 2010 – According to news reports, police are focusing on Kyron Horman’s step-mother, who is scheduled for a second polygraph test and who has recently been featured on a new flyer distributed to all parents and students attending Kyron’s elementary school; they are also focusing on Kyron’s uncle who was arrested Wednesday on unrelated child molestation charges in Everett, Wash.
Kyron is the 7-year-old boy who went missing from his Portland elementary school June 4. more>>>
http://www.examiner.com/x-34328-Seattle-Headlines-Examiner~y2010m6d19-Seattle-Kyron-Hormans-uncle-arrested-in-child-molestation-2nd-polygraph-for-stepmom-Video
Names in the Casey Anthony saga that were candidates for Caylee’s Bio-Dad:
Jesse Aaron Grund –When Caylee was born, Jesse took a paternity test. Result: Jesse is not Caylee’s Bio-Dad.
Lee Alexander Anthony – a subpoena was issued to force him to take a paternity test. Result: Lee is not Caylee’s Bio-Dad.
JP Chatt – the resemblance between this guy and Caylee in a side-by-side photo that has been circulating in ‘Blogdom’ for the past two years has fueled speculation that he may be Caylee’s father. There is no proof in the discovery docs to support this rumor.
Brandon Roghelia – 20 y/o died in a vehicle accident on 2/15/05. Ricardo M. claims Casey told him Brandon was Caylee’s father. Rumor is unfounded.
Jesus E. Marquez Ortiz – [died: 5/8/2007 in a car crash] Rumors that he was Caylee’s father are unfounded.
Josh M. O’barr – [died: 7/10/2006] 23 y/o. surfer committed suicide off Cocoa Beach, FL He had back surgery in 2004. Rumors that he was Caylee’s father are unfounded.
Eric F Baker – [died 5/4/2007] 18 y/o. He was a passenger who was killed in a car crash at the intersection of KY 9 & US 68 Maysville, KY. There is no evidence that he was Caylee’s father.
Eric James Baker – [died: 8/11/2007] Casey told some friends that he died in a motor cycle accident on his way to Caylee’s birthday party. Rumors that he was Caylee’s father are unfounded.
Eric – Died in a car crash and was buried in KY. Prior to his death, Eric set up a Trust Fund for Caylee. Cindy has Power of Attorney over the “Trust Fund” in the event something happens to Casey. His parents moved to Italy. [Casey Fantasy Creation]
Brandon [Last name unknown] – Lived in TN. Casey told Ricardo M. she met Brandon when he was in Orlando, FL on vacation for Thanksgiving 2004. He was a friend of her brorher, Lee. Casey said he did not want anything to do with the baby. Casey said, he died in a car crash just a few days before Caylee’s 2nd birthday in 2007. He ran off the road and he hit a tree. [Casey Fantasy Creation]
Josh [Last name unknown] – he was a one-night stand who Casey met at Universal. She told BFF Melina, Josh was Caylee’s father and that he was from GA. He had a girlfriend who he planned to marry and they had children together already. Casey claimed Josh died shortly after Caylee’s B-day in August 2007. [Casey Fantasy Creation]
Casey doesn’t know who Caylee Bio-Father is.She sleeps with every guy she meets.This could be all of Orlando,Fl. I hope all the guys she slept with has had the test done.
Thanks for that sperm donor list Smoke! Wow, 8 out of 11 are dead. Three Erics, two Brandons, two Josh……
That’s a lot of unclaimed social security checks and child support. And then there’s the trust fund set up for Caylee in case something happens to WF. Guess what – something might be about to happen……
Looks like our boy JP is still the best living breathing possibility for Caylee’s daddy.
Oh will we ever know?
Hi, so nice to be able to sit down and see what alls been going on. Looks to me like that Casey does not know who the Dad is? So you all know, we will never know!! That’s bad when you don’t know who the father of your child is!? With this being said the next thing Cindy will be saying is, Casey wanted a child so bad she went to a sperm bank!!!
No wait I think she was the sperm bank!
Wait, I have a better one Cindy could say that Casey being a virgin that God just gave her this child!! I’m sure Cindy has a good reason that the Dad has not been named just ask her!!
As for all the guys out there that had anything to do with Casey and did not use a rain coat, don’t think they should worry about if they are the Dad of Caylee with her not being alive anymore because of her so called Mom the
thats what Casey is not a mother!! However I do think all of these guys that had been with Casey should run not walk to the nearest clinic and get every test done that they have or could every test them for!! This must have been Caseys thinking, To MANY MEN NOT ENOUGH TIME!!
Looks like with all Casey’s Fantasy Creation boy friends,being gone that they must have had a death wish for all of them to be dead also!! Or did she just kill them off?
Next thing the
dumb Ant.family will be saying is that the father is some where between “George Clooney and Brad Pitt”? and Juliett Lewis was the mid- wife!!
Just ask Cindy!!
My Hubby says that all guys, that have been with Casey better get tested for stupid!! It maybe catching?
I now know what is wrong with the Ant. family! Stupid is, as stupid does!! That right there, should be their family motto!! and here’s their sign, STUPID ANT.FAMILY LIVE HERE!!
BOA. may want them to take their sign and move on down the road!
Now that I’ve had fun NOT talking to myself, I’m going to bed. Will be back if I can’t sleep!! Tell then good night all and as always this is my 2 home it is the best blog around with all the best peeps ever!! Thanks for everything you do Humble!!
Goodmorning everyone, Happy Summer to all.
Justice for Caylee. Off to work, have a great blogging day.
Before I leave just one word one Smokes list, why are there so many young men dead. That’s some list of fatalities. My kids are all young aduts and between the 4 of them I could never complile a list like that in our towm. Wow. Thanks Smoke.
Good morning everyone. Didn’t get through my reading of Smoke&Mirrors links from Friday. Too many interruptions and changes of plans. Hopefully will do it today. Does anyone know if the status hearing will be televised today? It is scheduled for 1:30 in courtroom 23a. We all know that Casey doesn’t have to be there. Wonder if G&C will think it important enough. Boy, if all those guys who were supposedly associated with Casey all died in accidents, I would think all the ones still alive would be hiding and shaking in their boots. Plus, anyone of them who had sex with her 9 months before Caylee’s birth must also be in hiding. I would hope that LE would be able to pinpoint who she was associating with during that time. I’m sure her ex-friends would have known what she was up to during that time period. Some people are saying it is not important who Caylee’s father is. It is my humble opinion that everything in this case leading up to Caylee’s murder is important.
Oh, and don’t forget, June 23:
9:45 am 15 min Case: 48-2010-CA-4872-O- Motion: M/STRIKE DEMAND FOR JURY TRIAL
BANK OF AMERICA
ELIZABETH ECKHART* vs. CYNTHIA AND GEORGE ANTHONY
MARK LIPPMAN
Does anyone understand what this is about. I don’t get the idea of a jury trial for a foreclosure issue. If the motion is to strike a demand for a jury trial, does that mean that the Anthonys has requested a jury trial for fighting their foreclosure? Is this normal procedure in a foreclosure?
NEW BLOG:
http://humbleopinionforum.net/2010/06/21/judge-belvin-perry-holds-attys-accountable-21-june-2010/